JW views on The Spirit

by PSacramento 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    If I recall correctly, the JW's view the spirit simply as an "energy source" right?

    That is not only the HS is just an energy source, but OUR spirit as well, correct?

    When we die, the soul sleeps/dies and the spirit goesback to God ( in Heaven) as per the bible correct?

    The body decomposes and the soul along with it, the spirit resides in heaven with od, correct?

    WHen the ressurection happens, the body is ressurected, the spirit retrns to the body and the person becomes a living soul again, correct?

    So...where does the person's personality go? does it die with the body and soul? and if so, how does it "come back" ?

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    JW Theology Notes

    Holy Spirit: NOT a person; God's 'active force'

    Human Personality: Upon death, it goes into God's memory, if the person's name is written in the 'Book of Life'

  • watersprout
    watersprout
    When we die, the soul sleeps/dies and the spirit goesback to God

    We were taught that when you die your soul/spirit dies with your body. Don't know whether that was just taught in my area or whether it was worldwide... You were kept in Gods memory and written in the book of life. The soul and flesh were one. Everything returned to the dust. Spirit included.

    Peace

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Human Personality: Upon death, it goes into God's memory, if the person's name is written in the 'Book of Life'

    SInce, according to the bible, the only thing that goes back to God and be default God's memory, is the spirit, does that mean that the spirit carries our memories back to God?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    We were taught that when you die your soul/spirit dies with your body. Don't know whether that was just taught in my area or whether it was worldwide... You were kept in Gods memory and written in the book of life. The soul and flesh were one. Everything returned to the dust. Spirit included.

    The bible is clear that when we die, the spirit goes back to God:

    Ecclesiastes: 12:7

    then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt
    the spirit carries our memories back to God

    The word "spirit" has no meaning in JW theology. Humans and animals ARE "souls". Accordingly, souls die. Zero consciousness, etc. God simply has to remember the person/personality and re-create that person, should he get a resurrection.

    [No, this doesn't make any sense. I'm just explaining what they teach at the Kingdom Hall.]

  • watersprout
    watersprout
    The bible is clear that when we die, the spirit goes back to God:

    Yeah we know that. The dubs like to make it up! I remember arguing with a dub about that. I said that when we die our spirit is returned to God and the dub was arguing saying that the spirit dies with the fleshly body. You can't reason with a dub. *sigh*

    Peace

  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough

    The Holy Spirit was joined with Father and Son as one God by Christian writers very early in the first millennium [St. Clement of Rome (c. 95); St. Ignatius of Antioch (d. 107)], but the Holy Spirit did not gain official recognition by the church as being divine and part of the Trinity until Constantinople I. Early Christian theologians in search of a deeper understanding of God’s nature and the works of the Holy Spirit “gradually made more explicit that which was contained only implicitly” in Scripture (Catholic Encyclopedia, 96).

    As explained, the Jehovah's Witnesses reject the idea that the Holy Spirit is a Person or hypostasis, and teach that it is nothing more than God’s active force, “likened to electricity, a force that can be adapted to perform a great variety of operations” (Should You Believe, Chapter 8). This interpretation, however, is wrong.

    First, it is true that in the Old Testament God’s Spirit is primarily referred to as a power used to create and influence men’s souls and minds like Moses, David or the prophets either temporarily or permanently (Catholic Encyclopedia, 574). It would teach, guide and eventually affect a moral transformation of mankind under the future New Covenant (ibid.). “The OT clearly does not envisage God’s spirit as a person, neither in the strictly philosophical sense, nor in the Semitic sense. God’s spirit is simply God’s power” (ibid.).

    In the New Testament, however, the Spirit of God is both a power and a Person (ibid., 575). The Jehovah's Witnesses regard the supporting verses as mutually exclusive - the Spirit must be either a power or a person, and since it can’t be a person it must be a power. However, Scripture read together cannot accept one meaning at the expense of another, so, as indicated in Strong and Vine’s the power is the “Power of the Holy Spirit” (at 162), which is the Spirit of God (Romans 9:8-11 RSV), and Jehovah (or Lord RSV) is the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17 NWT). The Holy Spirit is not simply an inert unthinking electrical current flowing from Jehovah God. It is a powerful spirit Person.

    “The revelation that the Spirit of God is a Person is gradual” (Catholic Encyclopedia, 575). The majority of NT texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone… (ibid.), but “in the Synoptic Gospels [the Trinitarian formula in Mt. 28.19] clearly speaks of the person of the Holy Spirit.” So even though in most cases “the phrase ‘spirit of God’ reflects the OT notion of “the power of God,” as a result of the teaching of Christ, the definite personality of the Third Person of the Trinity is clear” (ibid.).

    In the Acts of the Apostles the Spirit’s personality is not overtly demonstrated in the texts although “[t]he statement in Acts 15.28, “the Holy Spirit and we have decided,” alone seems to imply full personality” (ibid., 575). Paul uses the [Greek word for spirit] 146 times. Sometimes it means man’s natural spirit, but more often it signifies the divine sanctifying power (2 Cor 3.17-18; Gal 4.6; Phil 1.19). However, the Trinitarian formulas employed by St. Paul (e.g., 2 Cor 13.13), indicate a real personality” (ibid., 575).

    The personality of the Holy Spirit is very obvious in the theology of the apostle John and is “very rich in meaning” (ibid.).

    The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth (Jn 14.17; 15.26; 16.13; cf. 1 Jn 4.6; 5.6), and “another helper,” the “paraclete” (Jn 14.16). The Spirit is “another” helper because, after Christ’s Ascension, he takes Christ’s place in assisting the disciples, in teaching them all that Jesus himself had not yet told them, in revealing the future to them, in recalling to their minds that which Jesus had taught them, in giving testimony concerning Jesus, and in glorifying Him (14.26; 16.12-16; 15.26; 1 Jn 2.27; 5.6). (Catholic Encyclopedia, 575)

    The New Testament contains many additional references to attributes of the Holy Spirit that indicate personality such as “speaking, hindering, desiring [or] dwelling (Acts 8.29; 16.7; Rom 8.9)” (ibid., 575). Granted, taken in and of themselves one should not automatically identify them as personality traits because “the same expressions are used in regard to rhetorically personified things or abstract ideas (see Rom 8.6; 7.17).” However, in light of the above verses that clearly identify the Holy Spirit as a Person, other activities of a personal nature reinforce the fact that the Holy Spirit is a Person, not an impersonal “it” - and most certainly not an electrical current, or a mere “figure of speech.”

    Thus, the Person of the Holy Spirit speaks (Acts 28:25), teaches (John 15:26), strives with sinners (Genesis 6:3), comforts (Acts 9:31), helps our infirmities (Rom 8:26), is grieved (Eph 4:30) and is resisted (Acts 7:51) (Strong and Vine’s, 95, Supplement).

    http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-8.html#38

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