The Watchtower will use any excuse to bring up "bad associations"

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  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Live with Jehovah's Day in Mind (pub 2006) pg 135
    BEWARE OF BAD ASSOCIATIONS!

    20 What can you young ones learn from the 12 prophets? One of the most-quoted scriptures in discussions between you and your parents may be 1 Corinthians 15:33 about avoiding bad associations. ‘But is being friends with those who do not worship Jehovah really that bad?’ some of you might wonder. Well, you can find the answer to that question in these 12 books.

    21 While the books of the 12 prophets were directed mainly toward God’s people, the book of Obadiah addressed the Edomites, who had been referred to as the Israelites’ brothers. (Deuteronomy 2:4) Unlike most of the other books of the 12 prophets, Obadiah uses the pronoun you in reference to the Edomites. Now think about the Edomites. The time is about 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem is being besieged. Although the Edomites are blood relatives of Jacob, they team up with the Babylonians! “Lay it bare! Lay it bare!” the Edomites jeer. (Psalm 137:7; Obadiah 10, 12) They plan to take over the land of Judah. They even eat food with the Babylonians, which in the Orient can indicate that the two parties are in a covenant relationship.

    22 Notice what Obadiah foretells about the Edomites: “The very men [the Babylonians] in covenant with you have all deceived you. The men at peace with you have prevailed against you. Those eating food with you will place a net under you as one in whom there is no discernment.” (Obadiah 7) What actually happened to the Edomites, who deserted their brother, Jacob, and chose as companions the Babylonians? Eventually, the Babylonians under Nabonidus destroyed the Edomites. By Malachi’s day, God had made the mountains of Edom a desolated waste and Edom’s inheritance for the jackals.—Malachi 1:3.

    23 Now think about your so-called friends who do not worship Jehovah. Have you not observed that ‘the very boys [or girls] in covenant,’ or bonds of friendship, often deceive one another and “place a net under” their so-called friends? If the deception comes to light, what do they say? They might consider the friends they deceived to be naive, not discerning enough to see through another’s wiles. How like the Babylonians with their companions, the Edomites! Do you feel that such “friends” would really care about you when you faced problems? (Obadiah 13-16) On the other hand, think of Jehovah God and his people today. Jehovah is always there to help you. He will sustain you through difficult periods. His people too prove to be ‘true companions loving all the time,’ like faithful ones “born for when there is distress.”—Proverbs 17:17.

    My older brother refers to the people on this website as the "walking dead." I often wonder where the intense disdain really comes from? We forget the barrage of ideas thrown at us constantly when we "keep up on personal study" and meeting attendance. It's ideas like in the above quote that gets inculcated in our minds because of the sheer amount of "biblical reasonings" we were exposed to for so long that creates a real prejudice.

    So, according to the book, just like the Edomites betrayed the Israelites and were destroyed by Babylon we should stop developing that friendship at work or school? It's insane how jealous the Watchtower is of "worldly people" intermingling with their precious publishers.

    -Sab

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    No one will love you like I do.

    No one will care for you like I do.

    Abusive spouses and parents say this to their "loved ones" in order to keep them oppressed and under their control.

    It keeps battered wives from leaving their abusive mates.

    It's the same damn thing.

    And comparing what full grown adults in armies and leaders of nations do to kids in school is inappropriate.

    There is no comparison between the two.

    Kids are growing and learning while they are mean to their peers.

    They grow out of it.

    The WTS seems to want to make dependent wimps out of people.

    They won't allow their sheeple to learn and grow in social skills.

    By not making friends or associating with many different kinds of people, JW's become socially retarded (delayed, held back).

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    By not making friends or associating with many different kinds of people, JW's become socially retarded (delayed, held back).

    I have made some pretty good moves forward in the social world. However, when I first came out I had a harder time with social stuff. I get called 'weird' a lot. It's going to take a few more years to get the Watchtower weeds out of my psyche.

    -Sab

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    Hey, Sab, just check out MY threads.

    I'm as socially retarded as they come.

    And, surprisingly, there are a couple of xjw's here that don't recognize just how held back xjw's really are and how much they need others' help to get ahead socially.

    We really do need each other here, because some of us are further ahead of the game than others and have more experience to draw on and share.

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises

    His people too prove to be ‘true companions loving all the time,’ like faithful ones “born for when there is distress.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....... yeah right!!!!!!

  • No Room For George
    No Room For George

    The funny thing to me about that verse at 1 Cor 15:33 is when you take in context. That verse is strictly applied to young people and whom they choose to become friends with in the JW world. However, that letter was written primarily to adults, adult Christians who started entertaining thoughts contrary to what the apostle Paul had taught that congregation in Corninth, and also contrary to eye-witness reports given from those still alive at the time who witnessed the events surrounding Jesus Christ. Certain individuals in Corinth started denying the resurrection, and started influencing the congregation. These verses had nothing to do with the typical problems associated with young people making appropriate friends. Matter fact, if you really want to apply these verses in the appropriate context, ask yourself whether or not what the WT teaches regarding Biblicle truths in their literature and what's enforced doctrinally to the point of shunning, ask yourself whether or not that coincides and corroborates with what's actually found in the Bible. At that point, you may very well find that the bad association is the WT itself.

  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    sabastious - So, according to the book, just like the Edomites betrayed the Israelites and were destroyed by Babylon we should stop developing that friendship at work or school? It's insane how jealous the Watchtower is of "worldly people" intermingling with their precious publishers.

    Hi sabastious, I feel it just goes to prove that the WTBTS uses information and behavior control to control the minds of JWs. It amazes me how many JWs do blindly follow the WTBTS doctrines. I guess that some people would rather be led instead of exert their free will to choose their own path.

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    ABibleStudent

  • KW13
    KW13

    I have made some pretty good moves forward in the social world. However, when I first came out I had a harder time with social stuff. I get called 'weird' a lot. It's going to take a few more years to get the Watchtower weeds out of my psyche.

    -Sab

    My guess is you've only been out a few years at the most? You'll get there, it takes time and patience with yourself!

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