The Ancient Ones?

by sinis 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • sinis
    sinis

    Very, very interesting. Who exactly are the Ancient Ones, and how could Adam and Eve have been higher than the god (YHWH?) that created them???

    The Apocalypse of Adam

    The revelation which Adam taught his son Seth in the seven hundreth year, saying:

    Listen to my words, my son Seth. When God had created me out of the earth, along with Eve, your mother, I went about with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which we had come forth. She taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God. And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the god who had created us and the powers with him, whom we did not know.

    Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath. Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. And it (glory) fled from us; it entered into [...] great [...] which had come forth, not from this aeon from which we had come forth, I and Eve your mother. But it (knowledge) entered into the seed of great aeons. For this reason I myself have called you by the name of that man who is the seed of the great generation or from whom (it comes). After those days, the eternal knowledge of the God of truth withdrew from me and your mother Eve. Since that time, we learned about dead things, like men. Then we recognized the God who had created us. For we were not strangers to his powers. And we served him in fear and slavery. And after these things, we became darkened in our heart(s). Now I slept in the thought of my heart.

    And I saw three men before me whose likeness I was unable to recognize, since they were not the powers of the God who had created us. They surpassed [...] glory, and [...] men [...] saying to me, "Arise, Adam, from the sleep of death, and hear about the aeon and the seed of that man to whom life has come, who came from you and from Eve, your wife."

    When I had heard these words from the great men who were standing before me, then we sighed, I and Eve, in our heart(s). And the Lord, the God who had created us, stood before us. He said to us, "Adam, why were you (both) sighing in your hearts? Do you not know that I am the God who created you? And I breathed into you a spirit of life as a living soul." Then darkness came upon our eyes.

    Then the God who created us, created a son from himself and Eve, your mother. I knew sweet desire for your mother, for [...] in the thought of my [...] I knew a sweet desire for your mother. Then the vigor of our eternal knowledge was destroyed in us, and weakness pursued us. Therefore the days of our life became few. For I knew that I had come under the authority of death.

    Now then, my son Seth, I will reveal to you the things which those men whom I saw before me at first revealed to me: after I have completed the times of this generation and the years of the generation have been accomplished, then [...] slave [...]. (p.68 blank)

    For rain-showers of God the almighty will be poured forth, so that he might destroy all flesh [of God the almighty, so that he might destroy all flesh] from the earth on account of the things that it seeks after, along with those from the seed of the men to whom passed the life of the knowledge which came from me and Eve, your mother. For they were strangers to him. Afterwards, great angels will come on high clouds, who will bring those men into the place where the spirit of life dwells [...] glory [...] there, [...] come from heaven to earth. Then the whole multitude of flesh will be left behind in the waters.

    Then God will rest from his wrath. And he will cast his power upon the waters, and he will give power to his sons and their wives by means of the ark along with the animals, whichever he pleased, and the birds of heaven, which he called and released upon the earth. And God will say to Noah - whom the generations will call 'Deucalion' - "Behold, I have protected <you> in the ark, along with your wife and your sons and their wives and their animals and the birds of heaven, which you called and released upon the earth. Therefore I will give the earth to you - you and your sons. In kingly fashion you will rule over it - you and your sons. And no seed will come from you of the men who will not stand in my presence in another glory."

    Then they will become as the cloud of the great light. Those men will come who have been cast forth from the knowledge of the great aeons and the angels. They will stand before Noah and the aeons. And God will say to Noah, "Why have you departed from what I told you? You have created another generation so that you might scorn my power." Then Noah will say, "I shall testify before your might that the generation of these men did not come from me nor from my sons. [...] knowledge.

    And he will [...] those men and bring them into their proper land, and build them a holy dwelling place. And they will be called by that name and dwell there six hundred years in a knowledge of imperishability. And the angels of the great Light will dwell with them. No foul deed will dwell in their heart(s), but only the knowledge of God.

    Then Noah will divide the whole earth among his sons, Ham and Japheth and Shem. He will say to them, "My sons, listen to my words. Behold, I have divided the earth among you. But serve him in fear and slavery all the days of your life. Let not your seed depart from the face of God the Almighty. [...] I and your [...] son of Noah, "My seed will be pleasing before you and before your power. Seal it by your strong hand, with fear and commandment, so that the whole seed which came forth from me may not be inclined away from you and God the Almighty, but it will serve in humility and fear of its knowledge."

    Then others from the seed of Ham and Japheth will come, four hundred thousand men, and enter into another land and sojourn with those men who came forth from the great eternal knowledge. For the shadow of their power will protect those who have sojourned with them from every evil thing and every unclean desire. Then the seed of Ham and Japheth will form twelve kingdoms, and their seed also will enter into the kingdom of another people.

    Then [...] will take counsel [...] who are dead, of the great aeons of imperishability. And they will go to Sakla, their God. They will go in to the powers, accusing the great men who are in their glory.

    They will say to Sakla, "What is the power of these men who stood in your presence, who were taken from the seed of Ham and Japheth, who will number four hundred <thousand> men? They have been received into another aeonfrom which they had come forth, and they have overturned all the glory of your power and the dominion of your hand. For the seed of Noah through his sons has done all your will, and (so have) all the powers in the aeons over which your might rules, while both those men and the ones who are sojourners in their glory have not done your will. But they have turned (aside) your whole throng."

    Then the god of the aeons will give them (some) of those who serve him [...]. They will come upon that land where the great men will be who have not been defiled, nor will be defiled, by any desire. For their soul did not come from a defiled hand, but it came from a great commandment of an eternal angel. Then fire and sulphur and asphalt will be cast upon those men, and fire and (blinding) mist will come over those aeons, and the eyes of the powers of the illuminators will be darkened, and the aeons will not see them in those days. And great clouds of light will descend, and other clouds of light will come down upon them from the great aeons.

    Abrasax and Sablo and Gamaliel will descend and bring those men out of the fire and the wrath, and take them above the aeons and the rulers of the powers, and take them away [...] of life [...] and take them away [...] aeons [...] dwelling place of the great [...] there, with the holy angels and the aeons. The men will be like those angels, for they are not strangers to them. But they work in the imperishable seed.

    Once again, for the third time, the illuminator of knowledge will pass by in great glory, in order to leave (something) of the seed of Noah and the sons of Ham and Japheth - to leave for himself fruit-bearing trees. And he will redeem their souls from the day of death. For the whole creation that came from the dead earth will be under the authority of death. But those who reflect upon the knowledge of the eternal God in their heart(s) will not perish. For they have not received spirit from this kingdom alone, but they have received (it) from a [...] eternal angel. [...] illuminator [...] will come upon [...] that is dead [...] of Seth. And he will perform signs and wonders in order to scorn the powers and their ruler.

    Then the god of the powers will be disturbed, saying, "What is the power of this man who is higher than we?" Then he will arouse a great wrath against that man. And the glory will withdraw and dwell in holy houses which it has chosen for itself. And the powers will not see it with their eyes, nor will they see the illuminator either. Then they will punish the flesh of the man upon whom the holy spirit came.

    Then the angels and all the generations of the powers will use the name in error, asking, "Where did it (the error) come from?" or "Where did the words of deception, which all the powers have failed to discover, come from?"

    Now the first kingdom says of him that he came from [...]. A spirit [...] to heaven. He was nourished in the heavens. He received the glory of that one and the power. He came to the bosom of his mother. And thus he came to the water.

    And the second kingdom says about him that he came from a great prophet. And a bird came, took the child who was born, and brought him onto a high mountain. And he was nourished by the bird of heaven. An angel came forth there. He said to him "Arise! God has given glory to you." He received glory and strength. And thus he came to the water.

    The third kingdom says of him that he came from a virgin womb. He was cast out of his city, he and his mother. He was brought to a desert place. He was nourished there. He came and received glory and strength. And thus he came to the water.

    The fourth kingdom says of him that he came from a virgin. [...] Solomon sought her, he and Phersalo and Sauel and his armies, which had been sent out. Solomon himself sent his army of demons to seek out the virgin. And they did not find the one whom they sought, but the virgin who was given them. It was she whom they fetched. Solomon took her. The virgin became pregnant and gave birth to the child there. She nourished him on a border of the desert. When he had been nourished, he received glory and power from the seed from which he was begotten. And thus he came to the water.

    And the fifth kingdom says of him that he came from a drop from heaven. He was thrown into the sea. The abyss received him, gave birth to him, and brought him to heaven. He received glory and power. And thus he came to the water.

    And the sixth kingdom says that [...] down to the aeonwhich is below, in order to gather flowers. She became pregnant from the desire of the flowers. She gave birth to him in that place. The angels of the flower garden nourished him. He received glory there, and power. And thus he came to the water.

    And the seventh kingdom says of him that he is a drop. It came from heaven to earth. Dragons brought him down to caves. He became a child. A spirit came upon him and brought him on high to the place where the drop had come forth. He received glory and power there. And thus he came to the water.

    And the eighth kingdom says of him that a cloud came upon the earth and enveloped a rock. He came from it. The angels who were above the cloud nourished him. He received glory and power there. And thus he came to the water.

    And the ninth kingdom says of him that from the nine Muses one separated away. She came to a high mountain and spent (some) time seated there, so that she desired herself alone in order to become androgynous. She fulfilled her desire and became pregnant from her desire. He was born. The angels who were over the desire nourished him. And he received glory there, and power. And thus he came to the water.

    The tenth kingdom says of him that his god loved a cloud of desire. He begot him in his hand and cast upon the cloud above him (some) of the drop, and he was born. He received glory and power there. And thus he came to the water.

    And the eleventh kingdom says that the father desired his own daughter. She herself became pregnant from her father. She cast [...] tomb out in the desert. The angel nourished him there. And thus he came to the water.

    The twelfth kingdom says of him that he came from two illuminators. He was nourished there. He received glory and power. And thus he came to the water.

    And the thirteenth kingdom says of him that every birth of their ruler is a word. And this word received a mandate there. He received glory and power. And thus he came to the water, in order that the desire of those powers might be satisfied.

    But the generation without a king over it says that God chose him from all the aeons. He caused a knowledge of the undefiled one of truth to come to be in him. He said, "Out of a foreign air, from a great aeon, the great illuminator came forth. And he made the generation of those men whom he had chosen for himself shine, so that they could shine upon the whole aeon"

    Then the seed, those who will receive his name upon the water and (that) of them all, will fight against the power. And a cloud of darkness will come upon them.

    Then the peoples will cry out with a great voice, saying, "Blessed is the soul of those men because they have known God with a knowledge of the truth! They shall live forever, because they have not been corrupted by their desire, along with the angels, nor have they accomplished the works of the powers, but they have stood in his presence in a knowledge of God like light that has come forth from fire and blood.

    "But we have done every deed of the powers senselessly. We have boasted in the transgression of all our works. We have cried against the God of truth because all his works [...] is eternal. These are against our spirits. For now we have known that our souls will die the death."

    Then a voice came to them, saying "Micheu and Michar and Mnesinous, who are over the holy baptism and the living water, why were you crying out against the living God with lawless voices and tongues without law over them, and souls full of blood and foul deeds? You are full of works that are not of the truth, but your ways are full of joy and rejoicing. Having defiled the water of life, you have drawn it within the will of the powers to whom you have been given to serve them.

    "And your thought is not like that of those men whom you persecute [...] desire [...]. Their fruit does not wither. But they will be known up to the great aeons, because the words they have kept, of the God of the aeons, were not committed to the book, nor were they written. But angelic (beings) will bring them, whom all the generations of men will not know. For they will be on a high mountain, upon a rock of truth. Therefore they will be named "The Words of Imperishability and Truth," for those who know the eternal God in wisdom of knowledge and teaching of angels forever, for he knows all things."

    These are the revelations which Adam made known to Seth, his son, And his son taught his seed about them. This is the hidden knowledge of Adam, which he gave to Seth, which is the holy baptism of those who know the eternal knowledge through those born of the word and the imperishable illuminators, who came from the holy seed: Yesseus, Mazareus, Yessedekeus, the Living Water.

  • sinis
    sinis

    Interesting thread from another site:

    The texts confirm that the "elder gods" or "Anunnaki" were, in fact, not the first "gods" and that a race or races known as the Ancient Ones pre-dated the arrival of the "elder gods"/Anunnaki.

    The Ancient Ones had come from the stars many eons earlier and had established an extremely advanced culture.

    The Anunnaki, although initially accepted, and very technologically advanced themselves, subsequently caused immense problems and a war broke out. It seems this was no small battle, indeed, it changed the entire face of the earth and irrevocably altered the course of life thereon. The texts go on to say that the "elder gods" or the "Anunnaki" produced/created mankind as a slave/workforce.

    Were these Anunnaki the legendary dragons as some have suggested, or do the legends of these magical creatures and their nebulous world, refer to the ancient race that existed prior to the arrival of the Anunnaki? Were they eradicated/modified by this invasion/rebellion?

    There are many who view the Anunnaki genetic modifications on this planet as an upgrade to the race of beings existing on earth at the time, but considering the overweening arrogance and warlike behavior of the Anunnaki themselves and of some of our world leaders (who claim to be their descendants through their affiliations with various secret societies), it makes one wonder. As a species, man has more genetic defects/diseases than any other.

    Was the Anunnaki gene manipulation an upgrade?

    Strangely, it clearly states in the Sumerian texts that the genes of the commander of the army of the ANCIENT ONES combined with ANUNNAKI genes were used to "create" man...

    Could be the true story behind the "fall from paradise"? It may be seen as odd that the Anunnaki would combine their own genes with that of their ancient enemy, however it seems that they viewed this as some type of punishment or binding of the spirit of the Ancient Ones.

    According to Sumerian sacred texts, the "elder gods" (the Anunnaki), battled with and destroyed the Ancient Ones, and specifically Tiamat, their queen, the ancient of days, who is described as a "great wicked serpent" or "mighty dragon". Also described are her many strange allies - serpent men, dragons, sphinxes (lion-men), centaurs, dog-men and scorpion-men.

    The titanic battle raged for ten years or more, laying waste to the earth and its inhabitants...

    The Anunnaki eventually won the battle and they divided up parts of the earth between them. It is only after this that mankind was "created" as a slave race. The Anunnaki were a race of warlords, for they often fought amongst themselves and involved humans in their endless power struggles and petty jealousies.

    It has been said that the "myths" of centaurs, satyrs, unicorns, dragons, elves etc. were the results of early genetic experiments of the Anunnaki, but the Sumerian texts state the creatures/monsters were allies of Tiamat.

    Were the original dragons/elves/fairy folk, in fact, the Ancient Ones spoken of in the texts?

    Did the Anunnaki destroy a civilization, the mythical "land before time", and by tampering with genetic codes, attempt genocide on a global scale and deliberately conceal any memory of or reference to this civilization?

    Did they teach mankind wonders or did they just twist and pervert ancient wisdom?

    No doubt there were "runaway slaves" hidden in the caverns of the earth and also other survivors who had escaped the unwelcome attentions of the Anunnaki and their captive breeding programs. The texts tell us that there were renegade Anunnaki as well, and it speculated that Enki himself may have returned to the underworld.

    From these came the myths of Hollow Earth, Shamballah, Agartha... and legends of great treasures and mines guarded by the gnomes. (genomes?)

    Elves and Others, may have taken refuge in the mountains and forests and "desolate places", giving rise to their own "myths". As the world came more and more under the influence of the Anunnaki, many of these too, may have fled below the surface.

    It is well documented that there are vast networks of tunnels and huge caverns beneath the earth, some caused by volcanic activity and some artificial in origin. Many strange "cults" sprang from these stories, many of which persist to this very day, which in itself has caused much mischief.

    It appears these elder gods/Anunnaki, were terrified of the Ancient Ones and dreaded their foretold return, fearing that they would reclaim the earth and take revenge on them. For this reason they devised many "magical" and other occult diverse means to prevent this from occurring.

    After all, this would mean that the "slave race" that the Anunnaki had "created", and who contained the genetic codes of the "ancient ones" might awaken and seek their freedom.

    One can see that this would cause the Anunnaki overlords to be terror stricken and would necessitate stringent control measures be imposed on the slaves.

    Thus was born religion and other hierarchical structures of control, suppression and subjugation.

    And what of humans, the odd genetic consequence of all this meddling?

    Is this the reason why humanity seems to be suffering from collective post traumatic stress disorder?

    As it says in the Sumerian texts:

    "Man is born of sadness, for he is of the Blood of the Ancient Ones, but has the Spirit of the Elder Gods breathed into him. And his heart goes to the Ancient Ones, but his mind is turned towards the Elder Gods, and this is the war which shall be always fought, unto the last generation of man; for the world is unnatural."

    Does this not imply that the previously understood "natural order" was disrupted in some fundamental way when the civilization of the Ancients was destroyed?

    Is the famous "cradle of civilization", in reality a coffin of a bygone golden age lost in the mists of time?

    We are told that civilization abruptly emerged 6,000 to 8,000 years ago in ancient Sumer, (now known as Iraq).

    Could it be that at that time everything was altered by belligerent beings with dubious intent and ruthless methods?

    In the texts the Anunnaki demonstrate their fear and hatred of the Ancient Ones, by describing them as "crawling chaos" and blaming them for all manner of hideous horror. But the texts also reveal the Anunnaki themselves, as a fierce, lustful, incestuous, bloodthirsty, deceitful, jealous and conquering race, with a vested interest in keeping their "creations" ignorant about their true origins.

    That being the case, we can speculate that the ways of the Ancients were diametrically opposed to those of the Anunnaki.

    Were the Ancient Ones aware of and did they utilize chaos theory and the fractal nature of consciousness in the creation of their forgotten world?

    And humanity, blissfully unaware of all this for the most part, still struggles on living the lies and bearing the terrible karmic burden of these unspeakable deeds.

    But it is also written:

    "Know that Tiamat seeks ever to rise to the stars, and when the Upper is united to the Lower, then a New Age will come of Earth, and the Serpent shall be made whole, and the Waters will be as One"

  • Voices
    Voices

    I wish i knew these secrets, but i'm smaller then an atom in the universe among the giants and supernovas. In the end, all that will matter, at least in my case, is 'what did you do in your life? why should you receieve life? '

    But I wish i knew, I really do. But whethe rmy motive is wrong, or he doesn't want to share, ...or it doesn't belong to me, or i'm too much of an idiot, i'm not worthy...etc.. i'm still in the dark. But before I'm denied access to the kingdom, I hope he can at least let me know what happened in our humanity. MAybe by that point i wont care.

  • designs
    designs

    THOR knows

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    Sinis:

    I have read a few books over the years about this topic. I also watch that series on "Ancient Aliens". I firmly believe we have not been told the whole story about the human race and it is quite possible we were created as a slave race to do mining for these beings and our beginning was less than noble.

    I do not believe in conventional religion and feel it is a bed-time story told to keep the human race in line. I know this is not a popular theory and is crackpot and "out there". So I guess this describes me to some degree. LOL.

  • sinis
    sinis

    Hahahaha, yea I think the true thinkers in history were always called "crack pots". I firmly believe we have been here before. Civilization goes up and down with the sands of time...

  • serein
    serein

    anyone read the cronicles prodject? it was the supreamones who created adam and eve not the almightyone,anyways i found this site and its suposed to be scriptures that have been translated corectly word for word and original so most acurate or sumat anyways just look up the cronicles prodject and read for urselfs and see what u think im inclined to beleive it but then im in search of truth and looking at alsorts at mo,

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    *lost*

    bumped

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