Let's look at Philippians 2:1-11 and a bi...

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  • Rev BII
    Rev BII

    Let’s look at Philippians 2:1-11 and a bit more. All
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    Philippians 2:1If there is therefore any exhortation
    in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any
    fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and
    compassions, 2:2make full my joy, that ye be of the
    same mind, having the same love, being of one accord,
    of one mind; 2:3doing nothing through faction or
    through vainglory, but in lowliness of mind each
    counting other better than himself; 2:4not looking
    each of you to his own things, but each of you also to
    the things of others. 2:5Have this mind in you, which
    was also in Christ Jesus:

    - In this chapter Paul talks about humility and
    Christ-like character. Christ is the great example for
    all men to follow. Paul then goes on to describe the
    walk and glorification of the man Jesus.

    Philippians 2:6who, existing in the form of God,
    counted not the being on an equality with God a thing
    to be grasped, 2:7but emptied himself, taking the form
    of a servant, being made in the likeness of men;
    2:8and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled
    himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the
    death of the cross.

    - Jesus didn’t sin, acted perfect yet he didn’t grasp
    for becoming a god on earth serving his own wishes,
    verses 6-7. This is vast contrast to the mighty men
    described and prophesised in Ezekiel 28:2, 13-16 and
    Isaiah 14:12-15. They were indeed very less than Jesus
    but acted as much more. Jesus’ humility is an example
    for us and we are asked to try our best to follow. The
    Greek translated form is ‘morphe’. According to
    Strongs Concordance, this can be translated in several
    ways as shape, appearance and likeness. James 1:13-15
    tells us that God can’t be tempted but men are tempted
    by their sinful nature. Jesus was a man like you and
    me, ‘a fruit of David’s loins’ (Matthew 1:1, Luke
    2:52, Acts 2:30, Hebrews 2:7), believers confirmed
    that too (John 11:22). He had trough the Holy Spirit
    an upright Godfearing character (Acts 10:38), God
    through the Holy Spirit was his father and Virgin Mary
    his mother, he had a sinful nature because of his
    flesh but he didn’t obey it, his body encouraged him
    to sin but he didn’t obey it (Isaiah 53:9-12, Hebrews
    2:14-18, 4:15). This we could never do, but we are to
    strive to be like him to the best of our abilities
    (Romans 7:18-25, Philippians 2 whole chapter). He was
    a humble servant towards God all the way, even to his
    painfilled death.

    Philippians 2:9Wherefore also God highly exalted him,
    and gave unto him the name which is above every name;
    2:10that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    of things in heaven and things on earth and things
    under the earth, 2:11and that every tongue should
    confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God
    the Father.

    - The Bible is full of references to the resurrection
    and exaltation of Jesus by his God. The man Jesus
    struggled with fear before his death yet he uttered to
    his God ‘let not my will, but thine be done’ (Matthew
    26:39). After his death, Peter quoted Psalm 16 of
    Jesus’ words to his Father ‘thou wilt not leave my
    soul unto Hades, Neither wilt thou give thy Holy One
    to see corruption’ (Acts 2:27), Jesus had been in the
    land of the death (Isaiah 53:8-9). The resurrection of
    Jesus is a very essential part of the Gospel (John
    10:14-15, Romans 6:1-9, 10:9, 1 Corinthians 15:12-18).
    Jesus, after his death and resurrection is described
    as the firstborn of the death and ruler of the kings
    of the earth and the one that bought us to be priests
    unto HIS God and Father, God himself in Revelations
    1:5-6. In Revelations 1:17-18 Jesus’ described as the
    first and the last, the one who has been death but now
    is alive. How is he firstborn of the death?
    Revelations 3:14 calls him the beginning of Gods
    creation. The Greek translated beginning is ‘protos’.
    According to Strongs Concordance, this can be
    translated as both first in importance, before (Gods
    creation) and as the beginning. If we stick to the
    first rendering, it says that Jesus is first of the
    creation, the most important/prominent of the created.
    1 Corinthians 15:15; 23 says that God raised up Christ
    as the first, then those that are Christ’s will be
    raised. So Christ is the first one of the new immortal
    creation that God offers us to be part of through the
    Gospel just as John 1:12-13 and 2 Timothy 1:10 states.
    Jesus knew he would be raised and glorified and he
    knew the one that gave him that power (John 5:30,
    20:17).

    Christianity has historically had a serious problem
    with this ‘extra God’ Jesus. They made false tradition
    to deal with it and killed and tortured those that
    told another doctrine. Tradition had made it
    impossible for most to understand the simple teaching
    that Jesus was and is what he is because of God’s will
    and Jesus’ obedience. ‘Therefore doth the Father love
    me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it
    again’ (John 10:17). It’s stated simply in Acts, he
    ‘went about doing good, and healing all that were
    oppressed of the devil; for God was with him’ and he
    ‘is ordained of God to be the Judge of the living and
    the dead’ (John 5:26-30, Acts 10:36-42). It’s in this
    light we make the logic conclusion of John 17, that
    God and Jesus are one through Jesus’ obedience just
    are we are to be one with each other with Jesus in
    faith. God will always be the God of Jesus (John
    20:17, 1 Corinthians 15:28). Although Jesus wasn’t in
    existence as a being in the Old Testament (hence the
    absence of the Son, no verses saying; “Behold Abraham,
    I have the three personalities God the Father, God the
    Son and God the Holy Spirit yet I’m one God”), he was
    there in God’s plans. It’s through Jesus that the
    faithful old covenant Jews will be resurrected
    (Hebrews 11:39-40). The proper view to look at Jesus
    is as our Mediator and Highpriest (1 Timothy 2:5,
    Hebrews 8:1-13). To us, God and Jesus are equally
    essential for our salvation. God because he’s the one
    that made Jesus and us, Jesus because he’s the means
    of salvation God has provided for us. 1 Timothy 2:5
    simply puts it: ‘For there is one God and one mediator
    between God and men, the man Christ Jesus’. If only
    these trinity people would see how their unlogic
    assumptions fail the test of 1 Corinthians 15:22-28.

    Adam and Eve and thereby all mankind lost their
    immortality because of disobedience (Genesis 3). God
    is the source of life and the one that has the
    immortality (Psalm 36:9, 1 Timothy 6:16). If you die
    in your sins, your soul will die just as Adams did
    (Genesis 2:7, 2:17, 2:22, 3:19, Ezekiel 18:4, Luke
    13:1-5, Acts 3:23). As we are sinners, immortality is
    offered to us through the faith in our mediator Jesus,
    the Highpriest of the new covenant with Him that
    raised Jesus (2 Timothy 1:10, 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews
    9:15, Hebrews 12:24). Jesus will return to us as a
    mighty God by authority of the Father (Isaiah 9:6-7,
    Titus 2:13), carrying Gods zeal as having a name above
    any other. Although given a name above any other by
    God, he’s still and will be in his bodily form
    (Colossians 2:9 basically tell us of the divine
    authority and might given to him) and he will return
    to us in his bodily form (‘this Jesus, who was
    received up from you into heaven shall so come in like
    manner as ye beheld him going into heaven’) to judge
    the world (Acts 1:11, 3:19-21, 17:31). He will reign
    for 1.000 years in the Millennium Reign, and then he
    will hand over the Kingdom of God to the Father, every
    knee will bow for the Son to the glory of the Father,
    (1 Corinthians 15:22-28, Philippians 2:9-11,
    Revelations 20 and Isaiah 11 whole chapter). Note the
    classic misinterpretation of Philippians 2:11. It’s
    made by people that wilful or not, deny the Millennium
    reign, the ‘seasons of refreshing’ for those that
    repent (Acts 3:19) as well as a major blessing for
    those that happen to be mortal during that reign
    (Isaiah 65:20). None will confess Jesus as Lord
    unwilling but at the end of the Millennium the last of
    those that (at this time) refuse to obey Jesus will be
    destroyed (Revelations 20:12-15) as God will be all in
    all at this time (1 Corinthians 15:28). All this
    blessing knowledge is given only to those that accept
    the Bible as sole authority. Good thing we do, as the
    Bible is our sole authority. We don’t rely on
    information outside it.

    So, Jesus is our high priest and mediator of ‘a new
    covenant’ as Hebrews 8:1-13, 9:15 and 12:4 states.
    Abraham did never see Jesus in person, but he saw him
    as God’s promise (Genesis 12:1-9, John 8:56-58).
    That’s what Jesus was originally, Gods wisdom and his
    blessing promise (word) to his faithful. Abraham
    wasn’t able believe in Jesus as a person, but he
    believed and obeyed God, he was God’s friend and
    therefore he will be raised through Jesus too. This
    promise is also a great proof against the false
    teaching of people going to heaven or hell after their
    death. We see in verses like Job 3:11-21, Psalm 6:5,
    Daniel 12:2, Acts 2:29 and 1 Corinthians 15:6, 18 that
    death is a sleep. We see that confirmed by Jesus in
    John 6:40, 54 and 11:22-27, where Martha had faith
    that ‘God would give Jesus what Jesus asked of Him’,
    she wanted him to resurrect Lazarus. The keyword in
    the verses from John is the ‘resurrection at the last
    day’. That’s what believers should look forward to.
    Indeed translators should use punctuation correctly in
    Luke 23:43 instead of supporting paganism. People will
    awake and at the judgement seat of Christ (2
    Corinthians 5:10), the responsible who hear ‘Christ’s
    voice’ (John 5:25) will receive either reward (Psalm
    37:29, Matthew 5:5, 5:10, Revelations 21:1-8) or gnash
    their teeth in disappointment and desperation as Jesus
    describes in parables (Matthew 8:12, 13:42-43,
    Revelations 21:1-8). So repent, turn and live or see
    corruption (Romans 2:7-9). However, the Gospel is
    indeed much an offer than the threat mainstream neo
    Christians preach today.

    This is done through Jesus, a man that walked without
    sin, our covenant. So the new covenant is a man, the
    old was the Law. This was God’s Covenant with the
    Jews. It required circumcision and obedience towards
    strict laws. While the new covenant is a man it
    requires something of us. We must be our calling
    worthy (Romans 6:1-9, Galatians 6:1-9). Remember that
    Jesus gave himself to select a peculiar people zealous
    of good works (Titus 2:13-14). Attitude matters. The
    false teaching of fiery hell requires that believers
    get easy salvation however these teachings, fiery hell
    and easy salvation are false. Of cause both teachings
    are defended viciously but then again that shouldn’t
    surprise us, as the truth is ‘everywhere spoken
    against’ (Acts 28:22). When we look to what God want
    to use us to, to co-rule with Christ on earth in the
    Millennium reign (1 Corinthians 6:2, Revelations
    20:4-6, for reflection the Book of Judges), it’s
    obvious that salvation isn’t given to people with an
    unworthy character. This is of cause not a message
    people like to hear, just as the Jews stoned Stephen
    (Acts 7), such a message is neither pleasing to
    Universalists or main stream Hell-believing Christians
    or to people in general that like the thought of their
    love ones being resurrected on day or living in
    Heaven. If you only read what you like to read and in
    the way you like to read it (such as reading symbolic
    language as literal or interpret verses open for it in
    an unbiblical way), you can get a lot of messages out
    of the Bible. That’s after all what most people do.
    Yet Romans 9:11-28 tells us that the ‘the potter has
    the right over his clay’ and it tells us that most of
    mankind will go to dust or stay in it, as only those
    that know of God’s will are accountable for the
    judgement seat (Romans 2:12-16, 1 Pete 4:15-19, 2
    Pete 3:4, see also Genesis 18:20-19:25, Matthew 10:15,
    2 Pete 2:6, Jude 7 for people made accountable by
    God’s will). It tells us that ‘Every scripture
    inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for
    reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in
    righteousness, ‘that the man of God may be complete,
    furnished completely unto every good work’ (2 Timothy
    3:16-17). Indeed works, including humility is
    essential. You don’t get anywhere without faith
    (Hebrews 11:6) or without both faith and works
    (Galatians 6:1-6, James 2:14-17).

    God Bless

  • Rev BII
    Rev BII

    Now check into your local Christadelphian Ecclesia ;-).

  • Adonai438
    Adonai438

    Jesus didn't exist in the OT? Did anyone ever tell him that ?
    In all seriousness, yes he did and the trinity is throught the entire Bible and is recorded even in the earliest christian writtings starting with the people the apostles taught. If you are interested e-mail me -- I don't have time to type out everything here.
    Curious as to where Jesus is in the OT? Just ask
    <>< Angie

  • Rev BII
    Rev BII

    No, Jesus is nowhere found in the OT. Angels represented God in the OT. Jesus is in John 1 spoken of as the wisdom God made the world with. Who do God talk to in Genesis 1? The answer is found in Job 38:4-7 and Psalm 33:6-9. 'By the word of God was the heavens made'. The angels, mighty in strength assist God.

    It's an absurdity to say that the trinity is taught anywhere in the Bible as it's made by men. Every single verse claiming otherwise can be proven wrong by the Bibles simple teachings. None but the monarchianists understand fully that Jesus was created in Mary through the Holy Spirit/God. Matthew 1:1. That baby grew up and grew in favour both in the eyes of men and of God Luke 2:52. False doctrines are exposed by their missing link. Show me one verse that describes how Jesus came from heaven to earth as a man. There are none and the thought is absurd in itself. You can find a verse in John saying that he came from heaven which is obviosly so as the that's how the Holy Spirit entered Mary. Again, I look for details and they are not present. Both JW and catholicism/protestantism are out of context religions.

    I have emailed you for that list of verses you think proof otherwise. Just take your time. I will answer them and post the answer here too.

    God Bless

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