A story of JW hate and avarice, and a question

by ghenrymt 7 Replies latest jw experiences

  • ghenrymt
    ghenrymt

    Please click here to read my story: http://www.geocities.com/ghenrymt/george.story.htm.

    The story is not about how I became a Witness, my experiences as a JW, how I left, and where I am now spiritually. I will probably be inclined to post all that another time. This story is about how I got into a lot of trouble, a deep pit financially and legally, by being a sincere JW and trusting my ex-wife (who is supposed to be a sincere JW also) farther than I can spit a rat.

    I'm wondering if anyone knows of an attorney, preferably an ex-JW or someone who is familiar with JWs and family law issues, who would be willing to provide me some general guidance. I am already doing all I can to establish a relationship with an attorney who can handle my case directly.

    I think it makes sense to agree to pay an attorney thousands of dollars, if the attorney has a good chance of putting a stop to my ex's attempts to extract tens of thousands from me. In either case, I don't know where the money will come from. I expect to die broke and in debt, no matter how long I live.

    And yet, most of the time, I am a happy and upbeat person.

    Love and regards,
    George Henry

  • LDH
    LDH

    OK was it just me or were you guys redirected to
    * http://www.sunfinder.com
    which is a vacation site.

    Lisa

  • Mr Magoo
  • ghenrymt
    ghenrymt

    http://www.geocities.com/ghenrymt/george.story.htm Yep yep, that's it. Mr. Magoo is on top of things. Many thanks. (I went back and edited my original post, which directed you to "geoctites.com" - whatever THAT is!)

    - George

    I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
    than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
    - Harry Emerson Fosdick

  • ghenrymt
    ghenrymt

    Okay, I have given it some time and no one seems moved to comment on the informatoinal contents. That's fine. Probably you will be more interested in my spiritual/religious odyssey. I'll post about that some time. Started writing a book, actually, but since there is no ending to it really, I am not esp. motivated. It's not something that can be easily or satisfactorily summarized in a few words, either. But I will try, later....

    Love and regards,
    George

    I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
    than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
    - Harry Emerson Fosdick

  • Julie
    Julie

    Hi George,

    I didn't reply because I have no help to give you dear. Perhaps that is the case with anyone else who read your post. I mean the story you tell is interesting but I cannot be of assistance. I know no attorney's that are familiar with JW-dom. Sorry. I do wish you the best of luck with your situation though.

    Regards,
    Julie

  • lauralisa
    lauralisa

    Hi George,

    I read your story and just felt my guts start tying themselves into a knot.

    Your situation is heartbreaking, and I hope you soon find a respite from your difficulties.

    No matter the religious affiliation, if any, of people involved in such egregious conflicts - even those NOT using the court system as weapons - these situations are ghastly.

    When the players involve JW's, though, things get very macabre:

    - a JW can't sue anyone in "good standing", even if there is a legitimate reason, or their butt gets kicked out of the org. On the other hand:

    - Suits involving non-jw's, however, are encouraged! One less thing for the fearless, hapless wonks managing the myriad chaos in their congregations to contend with!

    - The courts are there as "God's ministers on earth" and therefore, use them to the extent possible! Especially when it comes to extortion and slander! (Those worldly types - esp. ex-jw's who are now "vomit" and such, deserve what they get.)

    - Use of the courts and current laws allows people a certain emotional detachment. Your (YOU, GEORGE, for example) well-being is not their concern anymore. Justice, or fairness, or ethics about the issues are incredibly germane to understanding the entire context of your situation, but consideration of such things is now in the hands of the COURT SYSTEM, and is now OUT of THEIR hands.

    - (biased generalized parodized assumption here but I'll bet a kazillion bucks a lot of people reason such ways)And anyway, if you were still an "active jw", none of this would be happening to you. Bad things happen when you go back to the "world" and become Jehovah's enemy!

    - All questionable behavior on the part of any JW is disavowed by any legal entity representing the WTBTS; directives are NEVER given by leadership, only "suggestions" or biblical "principles" are given. If the rank and file member goes berserk and proceeds to commit acts which are frankly imo tantamount to murder, well, don't blame the "mouthpiece."

    George, I frequently wonder about the way things are sometimes. Sometimes it just keeps piling up so deep that one may wonder if they're some kind of target or magnet for screwed up junk. All of your collective emotional responses to being treated so unfairly tag along when the NEXT crappy thing happens, and your inner resources for dealing with things one at a time get at the "fume" level. I sincerely hope that you get some support and true compassion soon, and that you can get a chance to collect yourself. If I were in your position...... I don't know how you've held up the way you have for so long.

    The IT field is currently glutted with extremely talented individuals who are streaming out of countless failed dot coms. People who are currently employed are being denied traditional bonuses or even reasonable cost of living increases in their salaries. I know so many people - talented, professional, GOOD people - who were laid off this past year in this field; I live with one and see everyday his serious efforts to find a position that won't cost him his dignity. Your creative efforts to find other ways to use your talents are to be praised.

    A good lawyer might help - I for one would be very interested to see what results if you DO find one and if it helps you. It certainly seems as though a kind advocate would be immensely helpful for you. A judge is conditioned to bombardment with an endless stream of desperately complicated, emotionally beleaguering cases, and has no recourse but to view things with very thick skin and apply the letter of the law, at the expense of the "spirit" of the law. A judge hears a mere summary of the "facts" of a matter in just a few minutes and has to decide right then how to get this thing off of the court docket; it's not an arena where mitigating factors or personal circumstances can be taken very deeply into consideration.

    Please let us know how things progress for you, and please know you have my concern and compassion.

    lauralisa

  • ghenrymt
    ghenrymt

    Hi lauralisa,

    FYI - JWs may sue other JWs over divorce-related, family law issues, it seems. My ex sued me for a child support modification in 1995 (when I was an JW in good standing), and I wrote a letter to the Society about it, since I felt it was completely unncessary for her to resort to litigation. The Society supported her choice of methodology and procedure. I don't know if I still have their letter on file. It might make interesting reading, although probably not.

    Julie (my ex) applied to the state Dept. of Revenue for assistance with child support enforcement, so it was actually the state that sued me. All she had to do was say "go" and they went. Conversely, if she had said "stop," they would have stopped.

    Let's see ... the state sues me, and the lawsuit is heard by the judge who is also a representative of the state. You don't suppose there might be some bias built into the system, do you? "Innocent until proven guilty" did not seem to apply; my criminality seemed presumed in advance.

    This lawsuit for child suport enforcement was initiated while I was still a JW in good standing, though not an especially active one. Julie has treated me as lower than dirt since our divorce, regardless of whether I was "in the Truth" (at which time she presumed that I was a hypocrite and/or had already been adversely judged and would be eventually ejected from the organization by Jehovah) or not.

    As far as holding up is concerned, after attempting suicide in 1999, I just made up my mind to get through whatever comes. I decided that "bailing out" in that way wasn't the answer. I have been able to manage a certain feeling of detachment, watching what happens to me as if from a distance, with an attitude of "That's interesting; I wonder what will happen next?"

    Regarding your observations about judges - I have heard most of them characterized as *ssholes, but occasionally I hear a story about someone being treated very compassionately and reasonably. (Perhaps the judge just happens to be a nice person, or had terrific sex the night before, or their stocks are up - who knows?) In the area of child support, personal circumstances MUST be taken in to account. If judges cannot do that consistently, then someone other than a judge should be given the reponsibility of deciding such matters. Perhaps special personnel could be specifically trained for the purpose.

    Also, it should not take a year or two to get a petition heard by the court. Child support issues should be heard and resolved in a matter of days, or weeks at the most. Upward and downward adjustments of child support amounts should be automatic based on a percentage of income. (Self-employed people should be required to submit quarterly income reports for this purpose, in the form of affidavits.) It is ridiculous for people to have to file a petition that takes (say) 18 months to be heard, in order to have their support reduced, when they have just been downsized out of a career - as happens to people all the time.

    It is very presumptuous on the part of the legal system to take radically different attitudes and stances toward parents depending on whether they are married or divorced. Economic realities are the same regardless of marital status. If a married parent loses a job or career, the government stands ready to give them financial assistance to support their family. If the exact same thing happens to a divorced, non-custodial parent, the government stands ready to penalize and criminalize them for their misfortune. This is just wrong, by any reasonable human standards.

    Thanks for your supportive comments - yours also, Julie. (Name coincidence with the ex noted, but producing no negative bias. )

    Fond regards,
    George

    I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
    than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
    - Harry Emerson Fosdick

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