CULTS- Rational View

by proplog2 3 Replies latest jw friends

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    I have criticized the use of the concept of "cult". Now I would like to present an alternative view. Cult puts the emphasis on the religions responsibility for the problems of some (really a minority) of its disgruntled members. Albert Ellis, the origniator of Rational/Emotive Behavior Therapy focuses on the neurotic tendencies of people who are devoutly religious. People have to be a little "nuts" to take religion seriously.

    Here is a taste of what Ellis has to say in

    "THE CASE AGAINST RELIGIOSITY"

    (quoted from Albert Ellis Reader 1968 Citadel Press Book)

    Ellis presents traits of a mentally healthy person and then shows how devout religiosity affects the person.

    Self-Interest

    Rather than be primarily self-interested, devout deity oriented religionists put their
    hypothesized god(s) first and themselves second - or last! They are so over concerned about
    whether their god loves them, and whether they are doing the right thing to continue in this god's
    good graces, that they sacrifice some of their most cherished and enjoyable interest to supposedly
    appease this god. If, moreover they are a member of any orthodox church or organization they
    feel forced to choose their god's precepts first, those of their church or organization second, and
    their own views and preferences third.

    Masochistic self-sacrifice is an integral part of many major organized religions, as shown,
    for example, in the ritualistic self-deprivation that Jews, Christians, and Muslims must continually
    bear if they are to keep their faith. Orthodox religions deliberately instill guilt (self-damnation) in
    their adherents and then give them guilt-soothing rituals to temporarily allay this kind of self-
    damning feeling.

    Self-direction

    Devout religionists are almost necessarily dependent and other-directed rather than self-
    sufficient. To be true to orthodoxies, they first must immolate themselves to their god; then to
    the religious hierarchy that runs their church or organization; and finally to all the other members
    of their religious sect, who are watching them closely to see if they defect an iota from the
    conduct that their god and their churchly leadership define as proper.

    Social interest

    Devout, deity-inspired religionists tend to sacrifice human love for godly love and to
    withdraw into monastic and holy affairs at the expense of intimate interpersonal relationships.
    They frequently are deficient in social competence. They spend immense amounts of time, effort,
    and money on establishing and maintaining churchly establishments rather than on social welfare.
    They foment religious fights, feuds, wars, and terrorism in the course of which orthodox believers
    literally batter and kill rather than cooperatively help each other. They encourage charity that is
    highly parochial and linked to god's glory more than to the alleviation of human suffering. Their
    altruism is highly alloyed with egotistically proving to God how great and glorious they can be as
    human benefactors.

    Tolerance

    Tolerance is anathema to devout, divinity-centered religionists, since they believe that their
    particular god is absolutely right and that all opposing deities and humans are positively and
    utterly false and wrong. According to orthodox religions shalts and shalt nots, you become not
    only a wrongdoer but an arrant sinner when you commit ethical and religious misdeeds, and, as a
    sinner, you become worthless, undeserving of any human happiness, and deserving of being
    forever damned on earth (excommunicated) and perhaps eternally roasted in hell.

    Acceptance of Ambiguity and Uncertainty

    If one of the requisites for emotional health is acceptance of ambiguity and uncertainty,
    then divinity-oriented religiosity is the unhealthiest state imaginable because its prime reason for
    being is to enable the religionist to believe in god-commanded certainty. Just because life is so
    uncertain and ambiguous, and because millions of people think that they cannot bear its
    vicissitudes, they invent absolutist gods, and thereby pretend that there is some final, invariant
    answer to human problems. Patently, these people are fooling themselves. Instead of healthfully
    admitting that they do not need certainty but can live comfortably in this often disorderly world,
    they stubbornly protect their neurotic beliefs by insisting that there must be the kind of certainty
    that they wrongly believe they need.

    Flexibility

    The trait of flexibility , which is so important to effective emotional functioning, is
    frequently blocked and sabotaged by profound religiosity. For the person who dogmatically
    believes in god and who sustains this belief with a strong faith unfounded on fact - which a pious
    religionist does- clearly is not open to many aspects of change, and instead sees things narrowly
    and bigotedly.

    If, for example, a man's church scriptures tell him that he shalt not covet his neighbor's
    wife- let alone have actual adulterous relations with here- he cannot ask himself, "Why should I
    not lust after this woman, as long as I don't intend to do anything about my desire for her? What
    is really wrong about that? " But because his god and his church have spoken, there is no appeal
    from this arbitrary authority. He has brought himself to unconditionally accept it.

    Any time, in fact, that people unempirically establish a god or a set of religious postulates
    that supposedly have a superhuman origin, they can no longer use empirical evidence to question
    the dictates of this god or those postulates, since they are, by definition, beyond scientific
    checking.

    The best that devout religionists can do, if they want to change any of the rules that stem
    from their doctrines, is change their religion itself. Otherwise they are stuck with its absolutist
    axioms, as well as their logical corollaries, that the religionists themselves have initially accepted
    on faith. Again we may note that, just as devout religion is masochism, other directedness,
    intolerance, and refusal to accept uncertainty, it also seems to be synonymous with mental and
    emotional inflexibility.

    Scientific Thinking

    In regard to scientific thinking, it practically goes without saying that this kind of
    cerebration is antithetical to religiosity. A host of philosophers of science, including Betrand
    Russell, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Hans Reichenbach, Herbert Feigl, Karl Popper, W.W. Bartley, and
    Michael Mahoney, Have pointed out the main requisites of the scientific method: scientific
    theories must be stated in such a manner that they are at least partly confirmable by some form of
    human experience, by some empirical referent; and scientific theories are those that can in some
    way be falsified.

    Deity-oriented religionists contend that the superhuman entities that they posit cannot be
    seen, heard, smelled, tasted, felt , or otherwise humanly experienced, and that their gods and their
    principles are therefore beyond the realm of science. Pious deists and theists believe that the gods
    or spirits that they construct are transcendent, which means, in theology or religion, that they are
    separate or beyond experience; that they exists apart from the material universe; that no matter
    what science says, they are indubitably true and real.

    To devoutly believe in any of the usual religions, therefore, is to be unscientific, and we
    could well contend that the more devout one is, the less scientific one tends to be. Although a
    pious religionist need not be entirely unscientific (or, for that matter, neither need a raving
    maniac) it i is difficult to see how such a person could be consistently scientific.

    While people may be both scientific and vaguely or generally religious (as, for example,
    many liberal Protestants and reformed Jews tend to be) it is doubtful whether ehey may
    simultaneously be thoroughly devout and reasonably in touch with social reality.

    -end- of quotes (not end of article)

    Ellis also goes on to consider the effects of religiosity on Risk-taking, Self-Acceptance, Commitment, Acceptance of Social Reality,

    The problem is not of defining "cults" but defining and encouraging mental health.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Ellis makes many good points. What you're failing to understand about cults, though, is that they are organized groups that institutionalize the character defects of the devoutly religious. The leaders of these groups work hard to create an environment in which their personality defects become the most highly valued of traits, and they recruit people in order to surround themselves with toadies who will tell them how wonderful their defects are.

    That is what C. T. Russell did, and what J. F. Rutherford did even more. Knorr and Franz extended this and created the monstrosity we see today. At this point the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses are almost entirely composed of toadies who suck up to each other and have so thoroughly insulated themselves from outside review that they almost never hear any criticisms, except those that come highly filtered through toadies lower on the totem pole.

    Because of having institutionalized all of Ellis's list of character defects, Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult. So are many Fundamentalist groups. Mainstream religions, at least in today's society, have institutionalized these defects to a lesser degree, and this is what distinguishes them in everyday parlance from cults.

    AlanF

  • larc
    larc

    proplog,

    Thank you for providing the information from Ellis. I greatly respect his work, but have not read this particular piece. If you are interested in another discussion of his ideas, there is a thread, "ten nutty beliefs," started by Tina, where she and I elaborate some of his ideas.

    Now, regarding your definition of a cult, I think it looses it's meaning, if you apply the term to all religions, though I understand why you have come to this conclusion.

    Alan and Amazing,

    I did not read the many words in previous discussions with proplog, only took a sample here and there. Furthermore, I have not read entire books on the subject. I do, however, think that the original distinction made by sociologists is a useful one. The view religions as falling on a continuum from demominations to sects to cults. Most religions start out as cults and migrate to sects to denominations. There are exceptions of course. From the definitions, I veiw the JWs as a sect primarily with cultish leanings. I do not see them as a pure case as being a cult.

    I could add more, but I will leave that part alone for now.

    I also think that certain words are over used and misused. Words like brain washed and mind control. I asked a question earlier, is good parenting an example of brain washing and mind control? By some writings here on the board, you would have to answer Yes, though this seems to be a misuse of the terms.

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    I agree with Alan. Many good points, proplog2, but the societal issues are very important. Although the word "cult" is misused and is in flux as with most words, it is still a very descriptive word to use for certain phenomena, somewhat like the word "terrorist." The word "cult" will be abused and twisted by religionists to condemn another religion while promoting their own. I prefer to think of it this way: Every religion is an extended family, with an adopted parental figure as well as new "brothers and sisters." The family dynamic is very important. If the family "head" is overly authoritarian or harsh, it is an unhealthy family. Not too dissimilar from the family of an alcoholic, and how they all relate together in their disfunction. When an extended family, i.e. a church or religion, becomes unhealthy due to the overbearing control of the leadership, it is often called a cult. Cult can mean many things, just as the word terrorist. It is often misused, but it is nevertheless a word currently in use that is helpful to many, just as the word terrorist. And as Alan said, when you take a few of these fantasy-world believers who sublimate their own minds to a greater imaginary parental figure, and institutionalize them, it becomes a recipe for disaster, and people's lives being ruined. All interesting thoughts!
    Randy Watters

    Psychological Issues
    http://www.freeminds.org/psych/psych.htm

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