A view of Philippians 2:6-11

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  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    The “Christ Hymn” in Philippians 2:6-11

    (“The Authentic Letters of Paul”, Arthur J. Dewey and others, pages 194 -196)

    Several of the terms used in verses 6 to 8 echo the terminology found in the story of the creation and fall of Adam in Genesis 1 and 3 in the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible (the Septuagint) that Paul and all of the authors of the writings that comprise the New Testament knew and used. Adam is said to have been created in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27); and he succumbs to the "Serpent's" seductive suggestion that, if he asserted himself, he would become equal to God (Gen 3:5). The similarity of the language in Phil 2:6-8 to the language in these Genesis passages points to another way of reading the "Christ Hymn:" as contrasting the First and Second Adam—a contrast Paul explicitly draws in Rom 5:12-14, and in 1 Cor 15:21-23,45-50. The contrast between the First and Second Adam reflected in the "Christ Hymn" can be charted in this way:

    First Adam

    bearing the image of God

    he regarded being like God

    as something to use for his own advantage

    with vain pretention he asserted himself

    and rejected his lot as a servant

    he exalted himself

    his disobedience led to his death

    he was condemned by God

    and cast out of paradise

    Second Adam

    bearing the image of God

    he did not regard being like God

    as something to use for his own advantage

    he rid himself of vain pretentions

    and accepted his lot as a servant

    he humbled himself

    he was obedient to the death even death by crucifixion

    he was exalted by God

    and named lord of all

    The meaning of this passage is also related to its structure. ... A more recent structural analysis sees the "hymn" as organized in four strophes. ... This analysis of the "hymn's" structure is consistent with the view that the hymn intends to contrast the First and Second Adams. The First Adam ... mishandled his status as a creature and blundered into self-exaltation that resulted in his self-destruction. The Second Adam rightly handled his status as a creature and was approved by God as a model of how a human being should conduct himself, and was exalted as the prototype and lord of a recreated human race. ... The structure of the passage together with its idiomatic, allusive, and celebrative (not literal) language indicate that its author did not intend to speak about the descent and ascent of a divine being, but about the exemplary earthly life of Jesus as a human being. God endorsed that exemplary life by raising Jesus on high as the Second Adam, who represents the remedy for the failure of the First Adam.

  • wobble
    wobble

    Thanks Doug, interesting to see a decent translation of the passage, so different from Freddie Franz's mangled version as in the NWT that serves to hide the writers real message.

  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    Adam was faithful to God and all was fine until Eve came along. I believe it could be argued that Satan exploited this new person and love in Adam's life. Adam knew the penalty of death for eating the fruit. Thus he knew Eve was to die. At that point, he was so in love with Eve and full of anticipation, he preferred to die himself rather than live without her.

    This was one of Satan's scucker plays, where the love of another creature or even yourself surpasses the love for God. We are to love God first, more than ourselves, then love our fellowman as ourself.

    So if we step back and characterize what happened in the garden, it had little to do with wanting more power or even wanting to be like God. That was Eve's issue more than Adam's, in my opinion. Adam was no glutton for power or desire for greatness, he was frustrated with God that he would take Eve away from him and kill her, so he just gave up like the coward he was, lacking enough love for God (or himself!).

    Another indicator that Eve was the powergrabber was the curse put upon Eve, who was made to sexually desire men, her husband, which would keep her in subjection to him and prevent her from being independent of his authority, which is what actually happened. Basically Adam gave her instructions as her husband not to do something and she decided to independently do her own thinking and make up her own mind, though she acted on information that was false. As the Bible clearly says, she was totally deceived. What a mess!

    Of course, Adam was spineless because as soon as God showed up, he tossed his beautiful new wife under the bus blaming God for having given her to him. Very Satanic, though, since Satan claims God made him the evil being he became. But in fact, each made their own choices and have to be responsible for those choices.

    The children most like Eve even today seem to be far more interested in power than others.

    Thanks, Doug, interesting focus.

    LS

  • No Room For George
    No Room For George
    This was one of Satan's scucker plays, where the love of another creature or even yourself surpasses the love for God. We are to love God first, more than ourselves, then love our fellowman as ourself.
    So if we step back and characterize what happened in the garden, it had little to do with wanting more power or even wanting to be like God. That was Eve's issue more than Adam's, in my opinion. Adam was no glutton for power or desire for greatness, he was frustrated with God that he would take Eve away from him and kill her, so he just gave up like the coward he was, lacking enough love for God (or himself!).

    What does all of that say about God's self esteem? I'll answer that for you...........not much. God has some serious self esteem, jealousy, and pride issues.

  • tec
    tec

    I think the passage shows that following the first Adam brings death... but following the second "Adam" brings life.

    The first Adam seems to have sought a short-cut to being 'like God'. Sort of like a get rich quick scheme.

    The second Adam (Christ) became a servant, thinking only of doing the will of His Father. No short-cut. No get rich quick scheme. He did the work, and He did it out of love.

    Peace,

    Tammy

  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough

    Prior to His incarnation Christ subsisted in the form (morphe) of God - (Philippians 2:6)[Top]

    Philippians 2:6 is considered strong evidence that the Word was God. Verses 1-11 clarify that it is a plea for unity and humility, with Christ Jesus’ “humbling of self and obedience to the point of death” as the exemplary attitude true believers should emulate (NAB notes 2,1-11).

    Have among yourselves the same attitude that is also yours in Christ Jesus,
    Who, though he was in the form of God,
    did not regard equality with God
    something to be grasped.

    Rather, he emptied himself,
    becoming obedient to death,
    even death on a cross. (Ephesians 2:5-8 NAB)

    The Jehovah’s Witnesses argue that these verses are not grounds for equating the Word with God, and focus their analysis on the latter part of verse 6 which reads “…who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped (NAB; “gave no consideration for a seizure” NWT; “thought it not robbery to be equal with God” NKJV). They teach that “robbery” (Greek harpagmos) does not convey the idea of holding in possession or retention in the sense of holding on to equality, but that it means to seize or snatch violently (Reasoning, 420). Therefore, Christ was not holding on, or trying to hold on, to equality with God but thought it as something that could not or should not be attained or grasped or reached for, being only a man.

    Strong and Vine’s disagrees with their assessment and applies “robbery” (harpagmos) in a different way that comports more with the context of the entire sentence and accompanying verses. “At Philippians 2:6 “robbery” (harpagmos), “as a verb, means “to seize, carry off by force” (Strong and Vine’s, 42). “The middle/passive sense gives meaning to the passage as the purpose of the passage is to set forth Christ as the supreme example to the Philippians (and us) of humility and self-renunciation: “Who though He was subsisting in the essential form of God, yet did not regard His being on an equality of glory and majesty with God as a prize and a treasure to be held fast, he would not feel as if He had been robbed to give up His shared glory” (ibid., 42). Strong and Vine’s application of “robbery” (harpagmos) is diametrically opposed to the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ use of that same term.

    In all fairness to the Jehovah’s Witnesses it should be noted that there are at least two views on the matter, one of which agrees with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. With reference to Philippians 2:6 the Catholic New American Bible (NAB) states that it is:

    Either a reference to Christ’s preexistence and those aspects of divinity that he was willing to give up in order to serve in human form, or to what the man Jesus refused to grasp at to attain divinity. Many see an allusion to the Genesis story: unlike Adam, Jesus, though … in the form of God (Gn 1, 26-27), did not reach out for equality with God, in contrast with the first Adam in Gn 3, 5-6.

    So, equality with God is something Christ was willing to relinquish, or as the Jehovah’s Witnesses interpret verse 6, Christ gave no consideration to seizing or grasping for equality with God.

    The Jehovah’s Witnesses, however, have utterly missed the point again by focusing on the wrong issue. Equality within the immanent Godhead is not established by the Word relinquishing it prior to His incarnation or grasping for it as a man after He became incarnate. Even though the latter part of verse 6 assumes His equality one way or the other, the first part establishes that assumed equality because the Word existed in the “form” of God. Focusing on “robbery” or “seizure” or “grasping” in order to determine the Word’s equality with God detracts from the primary issue of Christ’s subsisting in God’s “form” (morphe).

    That His existing in God’s form equates Him with God is only emphasized by His stated “equality” (verse 6) regardless of whether it could be retained by God the Son or grasped for by the created humanity of Jesus.

    “Form” (Greek morphe) denotes “the special or characteristic form or feature” of a person or thing; … it is used with particular significance in the NT only of Christ … in Phil 2:6, “being in the form of God,” and … 2:7 “taking the form of a servant” (Strong and Vine’s, 167).

    An excellent definition of the word is: morphe is therefore properly the nature or essence, not in the abstract, but as actually subsisting in the individual, and retained as long as the individual itself exists …. (3a) Thus in the passage before us morphe Theou is the Divine nature actually and inseparably subsisting in the person of Christ …. (b) For the interpretation of ‘the Form of God’ it is sufficient to say that (3b1) it includes the whole nature and essence of Deity, and is inseparable from them, since they could have no actual existence without it; and (3b2) that it does not include in itself anything ‘accidental’ or separable, such as particular modes of manifestation, or conditions of glory and majesty, which may at one time be attached to the ‘form,’ at another separated from it ….

    (4) The true meaning of morphe in the expression “form of God” is confirmed by its recurrence in the corresponding phrase “form of a servant.” It is universally admitted that the two phrases are directly antithetical, and that “form” must therefore have the same sense in both. (Strong and Vine’s, 167)

    In other words, if the Word existed in the form of a servant He was that servant, and if the Word existed in the form of God He was that God. This complete similarity, the consubstantial existence, includes of necessity the divine person Christ’s eternal existence and all other relevant characteristics of the immanent triune God - the “fullness” of the Godhead. Had the Word been created, the imprint or stamp (Hebrews 1:3) would have been far less than “complete,” or “whole.”

    The Jehovah’s Witnesses want you to believe that Jesus was not God because he did not consider seizing or acquiring equality with God, which would mean he was just a man, and therefore He could not be God. But at the expense of repetition, Trinitarians hold that the created humanity of Jesus is not God, and accordingly His grasping for equality has no bearing on whether God the Son, the preexistent Word, was divine, which is the primary issue. Conversely, if “robbery” or “seizure” or “grasping” refers to Christ hanging on to equality Christ would have to be equal because it says he was equal and because He was in the form of God. As such, the created Jesus’ thoughts and actions would have been immaterial in proving or disproving His preexistent equality. Philippians 2:6 means in part:

    Christ possessed equality with God prior to His incarnation, and then for a time veiled that glory, being always God in all of the co-equal attributes, but in the incarnation never using His Godly powers to better Himself. He was fully God, fully man, God taking on the likeness of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3), not a man adding Godliness. (Strong and Vine’s, 42)

    http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-6.html#30

  • designs
    designs

    Lars- Are you dating women?

    godrulz- I think you missed a few sentences from your usual litany of Creeds.

    Dear Christians- consider everything in the NT to be a johnny come lately version of another version of another version...

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