With all of the announcements made in our KH this year, we have announced 4 DA' s and only 2 that got baptised. The 2 baptised were born into the JW family.
We also lost 4 Elders, and 1 MS.
What was the count for your KH for 2011?
2011 Count: 4 are out, 2 are in
by Quarterback 9 Replies latest jw experiences
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Aussie Oz
So thats 5 on the servant body stepping down i presume...any of those the DAs?
Did anyone get appointed to replace the drain...
oz
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steve2
Hi Quarterback,
It's some time since I've been to a kingdom hall here in New Zealand - although my still-in relatives tell me it's pretty much slowed down. One nearby small town has an empty kingdom hall - the remaining JWs in the area go to the next town's kingdom hall. Shrinkage is the name of the game in the English-speaking congregations.
BTW, what's the attendance like at your kingdom hall? How many publishers too?
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cptkirk
you must be an apostate buddy. don't you know the jw's preaching only goes up? they had 3948534589345 billion trillion hours in service this year don't you know anything? (course most of this time is counted while driving around in a car doing nothing) . they only make the bleeding worse, the more they refuse to acknowledge reality and yet call themselves the truth....if they don't stop the bleeding soon, they are just going to be a punch-line. sort of like one of those prescription drugs that causes 500 fatal diseases, all at the cost of assuaging hemorrhoids. just cracks me up man, they use the world's model, call it their own, and then wonder why they have the same results as the world. the difference being the world is setup to be able to withstand collapse, and rebuild..rinse and repeat. the jw line is perfection......sort of contradicting. if there is any truth to this religion, i think it's pretty clear where you guys went wrong. instead of fixing shit that you knew was broken, you just kept passing it down the line saying jah was going to fix it for you. apparently jah expected you to be a little more responsible.
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LostGeneration
Truly Jehovah is speeding things up in these last, last, last, no really, the very last days!
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Quarterback
Hi Steve,
Attendance is down 25% on TS, and SM. Only two MS deleted for wrong doing. The other elders had problems with the 10 hr month FS requirement.
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hoser
how many servants do you have left?
how many publishers/pioneers in your congregation?
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ekruks
@Quarterback, sounds like a typical congregation - it's not good for the future.
How about over the last few years, which brothers tell me have been exciting, that as well as a number of disfellowshippings/reproofs, the loss of 7 elders and 4 servants (including 2 MTS graduates), as well as loss of half the pioneers.
Congregation is shrinking each year, despite pressure from the COs who seem to be blind as to the real problems (stop elders arguing with each other, sometimes on the platform, and get them to help the flock?!)
No baptisms, other than those within of which some kids haven't got baptised, and only one disfellowshipped person returned. Many publishers are discouraged and inactive in the congregation! Amazing! Hey! This is such a spiritual paradise?! Look at the Holy Spirit at work?!! -
finallysomepride
The end is just around the corner!
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ekruks
Well, even if no one is 'converted' to the faith, there can still be growth, or enough to sustain the numbers, depending on how many have kids, and how many of those are indoctrinated or shy enough to go along with things and get baptised. Hell, I've never really bought the idea of a God, but got baptised because it was the done thing; home-schooled, etc., sheltered life back then.
For the organisation to shrink, more must leave (death, DFd, DAd, etc.) then are baptised.
The title of this thread suggests such.It does seem that congregations are not growing in the Western world !!
There is veyr little increase in the numbers of congregations, and for each new one I rarely hear of, well, often two are merged somewhere. It seems that there isn't exactly shrinking of numbers, but just a maintaining of the current numbers.This means no growth, but means the Watchtower isn't fading.
It's psychological control of people is strong - we all know! For some people, it's difficult to live without a God, etc.. they can't cope.
The fact remains though, that most growth takes place in the 3rd world, where education standards are generally lower, which means people are more vulnerable to manipulation/cults, etc.. Also, the foreign-language fields within first world countries do have some growth, but usually it's an increase for the country JWs move to, but a decrease for their last congregations in the country they came from.
Overall, for the small rise in 3rd world countries, which looks good in the overall growth figures of JWs (some pathetically small figure, but better than many churches!), 'the Truth' is very stagnant/static in the West.It will avoid shrinking, if:
1) A JW kid get's baptised for each JW that dies/DF'd/DA'd/goes inactive. Most parents have two kids, so both kids have to get baptised to replace them, but about 60% of JW kids leave 'the Truth'. I suppose the one or two getting baptised helps. But when you go to an assembly of 10 congregations, and only see JW kids get baptised, well, it's obvious, few are getting converted, despite all that ministry that is supposedly happening (I wonder how many fake their hours/ministry - I have a number of times after the bubble burst) !!
2) DA'd and DF'd must not be too high. With JWs dying, doing inactive, or facing a JC quite often, I wonder how numbers stay as they are. Perhaps many DA'd and DF'd people return, but not that I have noticed.