Do not go beyond the things written

truthseeker1969

When considered the above gives the society carte blanche to make up what it wants when it comes comes to things UNWRITTEN.

When asked where in the scriptures judicial committees are mentioned and whether they are scriptural, the answer was: "since it is not written it is not going outwith the things written". In other words regardless of right or wrong things can be made up if they are NOT specifically written in the scriptures.

However, your input is requested on the baptismal questions

Since it is WRITTEN that we are baptized in the name of the F S HS then is the current baptismal question blasphemy?

When asked about this the reply was "it encompasses the essence of the scripture"

What do you guys think?

wobble

When they say "Do not go beyond the things written" they steal the phrase and make it mean things written by them, the W.T.

JW's go first to the WT publications, second to "mature JW's", and possibly to the Bible as a poor third, but they rarely get that far.

The current Baptismal questions are designed to make sure the poor acolyte has swallowed the nonsense that the WT/JW's are God's Organization, a claim for which they have no proof.

WTWizard

They always break this rule. First, the local hounders make up rules at their whim, that don't even agree with the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger--let alone the Bible! Then, if anyone breaks those rules, they get hounded or hauled to a judicial hearing--for "brazen conduct". These rules are almost always personal preference issues, or extensions of what the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger does put out. They might put out an article where one should use discernment in choosing music, for instance. The hounders might take this to the extreme, informing the congregation that there are 135 songs they can listen to, and anyone listening to other music is guilty of "brazen conduct".

Then the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger itself is guilty of this. Fact is, I still remember that rule (last reiterated along with that September 2007 Kingdumb Misery) that you go by whatever they say. If you can prove a Washtowel doctrine wrong, even using their own Bible, you still have to abide by and teach the bad doctrine until they themselves fix it. This assures that they are going to go beyond the things in the Bible all the time. They go beyond the things written in the Bible when they ban birthdays and Christmas--the Bible doesn't come out and ban birthdays (all it does ban is chopping off someone's head and serving it on a platter). Christmas? Try Luke 2:10-14. First Christmas by perfect angels--where is it written in the Bible that angels got cast off in that incident?

If you claim the Bible is rubbish and don't abide by it, fine. If you openly disregard the Bible and you run an organization or company in ways that clash with the Bible, fine. But, when you claim to be the only ones on the planet that properly abide by the Bible and you don't, you have a fraud problem.

james_woods

That is a rather curious verse of scripture. If you really think about it, what "things written" did it really mean?

How can we be sure that the bible canon of 400 A.D. is really all the approved "things written", or that it is all the "things written"?

wasblind

Let's test from their own literature if they go beyond the things written

On page 203 in the reasoning book the bottom paragraph states:

" Jehovah Witnesses base all of thier beliefs ...on the Bible."

On page 204 the bottom paragraph states:

"A key factor is that the Witnesses really believe that the Bible is God's word and that what it contains is for our instruction."

Also on page 204 in the reasoning book under the subheading

' Do not other religions also follow the bible? ' the WTS qoute

" Many use it to some extent. But do they really teach and practice what it contains?"

Now ask yourselves, are the Jehovah Witnesses teachin' what the bible contains in their baptismal questions?

james_woods

Just on one small thing - smoking tobacco - they are absolutely beyond anything written in the bible.

Attempts to call tobacco "druggery" or "demonism" are absolutely so silly as to be beyond reason.

If you don't like cigarettes, just say so on the basis of health - but don't pretend it is a biblically based disfellowshipping issue.

N.drew

The second baptismal question is not to be taken literally, in my opinion. It never did mean "do you believe you belong to the organization by your baptism?". I think it is a promise not to belong to another church at the same time. But it has turned into a loyalty issue.

cedars

Since it is WRITTEN that we are baptized in the name of the F S HS then is the current baptismal question blasphemy?

truthseeker1969 - Many would find a way of reasoning that the baptism question isn't blasphemous, but I can give you an example of one teaching that IS....

First off - let's see what the bible has to say about what constitutes blasphemy...

(Matt 12:32)32 For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come.

So anyone who speaks against the holy spirit is a blasphemer. Okay, but doesn't the Society speak as directed by God's Holy Spirit?

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God’s spirit operates upon his dedicated servants today, not to inspire them, but to move them gently in the direction of increased understanding. It permits them to make mistakes as they grow in understanding of God’s Word, but in time it helps them to see their mistakes, which they gladly correct. In this manner they progress along the path of the righteous ones, with the light of Scriptural understanding steadily getting “lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.” (Prov. 4:18)

So if God's holy spirit, despite operating on the Governing Body, "permits them to make mistakes", or (put another way) feeds them false information - then this "increased light" teaching essentially accuses God's holy spirit of lying. Does that sound blasphemous to you?

Cedars

wasblind

Wow Cedars !!!!

That's pure gold you struck :)

or should I say you made gold out of their bull ;)

cedars

Thanks wasblind - I'm sure there's a more recent WT article that is just as incriminating as regards insinuating the holy spirit's involvement in the writing process. However, I wanted to get this out quickly so I didn't have time to find it.

Cedars

Do not go beyond the things written

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