Talked with my "evil ex" today

by ghenrymt 7 Replies latest jw experiences

  • ghenrymt
    ghenrymt

    I spoke with my ex-wife at some length today, just telling her about what the state of Florida is doing to me and threatening me with, and what my prospects for the future are, including the possibility of spending a few years in prison.

    (For those who don't know the story, this has to do with a dramatic reduction in my income, which was not followed in a timely way by a corresponding reduction in my child support obligation. Through a long series of misadventures, each compounding the previous one, I have gone from about $250,000 net worth to around $-100,000 nw in 5 years, and am now threatened with very dire consequences, including prison, by the legal system. While I don't try to deny or evade responsibility for my actions, I contend that this has been largely a result of misplacing my love and faith and trust.)

    At the very least, it appears unavoidable that I will be uprooted, torn away from the woman I now love and any reasonable possibility of a future with her, and forced to return to Florida in a most uncomfortable situation - with no money, no home, and no job. Hmm, sounds problematic, doesn't it?

    (I didn't mention the part about my love life to my ex.)

    I simply very calmly laid out the facts of the situation, and asked her how she felt about them. She avoided giving me a direct answer, instead turning on me and accusing me of not caring about what was going on in her life. She informed me that due to all the stress I have put on her over the past few months, she had lost her job, and is now unemployed! I'm sorry to report that I allowed her to successfully distract me from my agenda with this guilt-trip BS.

    As I tried to continue calmly talking with her, her voice began to rise in pitch and volume. She announced, "I don't feel well today, and for the remainder of this conversation I am going to be very argumentative!" I asked her why she felt a need to be that way, since my purpose in calling was just to inform her of what was going on and ask how she felt about it, not to argue with her.

    In the process of the conversation, she mentioned I have protested her treatment of me, when all she has done was what I asked her to do. That is true up to a point. I was given information to relay to her about how to proceed to sic the state on me for child support enforcement, without being told the true nature of the information. She claims she didn't know what it was all about either, until she was informed, as I was, that the case was about to be heard in court.

    All that may be true. The thing that damns her as far as I am concerned is that after she understood what was going on, and the kinds of consequences that I would be made to suffer, she allowed the case to proceed to its conclusion, and is now evading any sense of responsibility for the ruination of my life. It's very easy for her to point to my mistakes and emphasize the measure of responsibility that I do bear. It appears to be impossible for her to acknowledge that it might be humane, morally right, and even in her best interests and those of our children, to do what she can to stop the runaway judicial train before it drives me over the cliff.

    It has been impossible for me to communicate effectively with this woman, or her husband (an elder), whose tactics are similar but more direct - bullying, pigheaded, and generally infuriating - for as long as I can remember. They do understand communication that acknowledges their superior wisdom or lets them get their way, or that is basically neutral in nature; but that appears to be as far as they are capable of going.

    It's not possible to hate people who are so pathetic. They are victims of a harmful religious cult. What should I expect?

    It's sad though, that they and the judicial system have control of my life now - sad and scary.

    Love and regards,
    George

    I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
    than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
    - Harry Emerson Fosdick

  • LB
    LB

    Sounds like a rough road ahead George. I had unpleasant dealings with my ex also. Never easy.

    So you are going to be forced to move to Fla? Is this for legal reasons??


    Never Squat With Yer Spurs On

  • butalbee
    butalbee

    ...The evil ex, I can relate, but how about the evil in laws, and charming way of making you feel, oh, like a fly on one of those sticky things that you hang on your ceiling in summer...what are they called? Life sucks, and love is an illusion. I am a romantic pessimist now.

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    These people would be acting like this regardless of whether they were JWs or not. It's all part and parcel of child custody cases.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    George

    Sorry to hear that. At this point, i think the best thing to do is, take all your valuables left to you, find the best damn lawyer (preferrably a jewess)you can, and hire her to fight for you. Life is a bitch, but being free and broke is better than being inside looking out.

    Best of luck SS

  • mommy
    mommy

    Sorry you are going through so much now. I am not familiar with the laws in Florida but I know that in a few other states that if your wife is not on public assistance, she can stop the proceedings herself. There is not a runaway brigade to collect child support. Trust me it is hard enough to get them to take action against a non paying spouse. I had a friend who payed in advance in NC and then forgot about the month he was to pay them and he was taken to court, they threatened all kinds of action against him. His ex went and had the order absolved, and he pays her direct now. When the order was initiated she was on public assistance though, so they took right over.

    Now as far as child support goes. I am of the mind that I would rather the dad be active in the kids lives than give a dime of support. Of course thatis from my personal experience talking. How are your kids holding up knowing you may move away from them? And how are you knowing that you may not see your kids but from behind a jail cell?
    wendy

  • cellomould
    cellomould

    Are you moving to Florida so that your assets cannot be seized?
    This doesn't sound like a pleasant trip.

    The ex may give you a hard time, but remind her that the child support is supposed to benefit the kids, not her. She most likely feels that you owe her something.

    What is most important is that you both look after the emotional needs of the children. For this, it takes more than money.

    I'm very sorry to hear about your situation.

    Regards,

    cellomould

    "In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

  • ghenrymt
    ghenrymt

    Friends,

    Trying to save the sanity of my 3rd wife, and keep my marriage to her from falling apart, I moved away from my kids in Florida to California in 1999. This also led to my being unable to continue paying child support in the amounts ordered by the court, since I proved unable to replace (or even earn close to) the income I had derived from the job(s) I left in Florida.

    This may have been a mistake. Possibly I should have kissed the wife I loved goodbye and stopped trying to support her emotionally, in order to stay close to my kids and see them frequently, and to take fewer risks regarding my ability to support them. (This sort of situation provides a good argument against divorce and remarriage.) However, I weighed all factors at the time and decided as I did. The question is open, I suppose, how severely I should be penalized for my decision. I had intended and expected to earn enough money to finance the kids' coming to see me at least once or twice per year. That did not happen.

    Custody is not a question here. Due to the circumstances surrounding my divorce, I did not contest my ex having primary physical custody. She immediately moved 70 miles away, allowing me to see the kids once a week. She subsequently remarried and moved another 50 or so miles away, reducing my visitation frequency to every two weeks.

    There has been no visitation since I moved out of state, almost 3 years ago now - although I have talked with my children by telephone nearly every weekend, and we occasionally exchange letters and photographs by mail. Relations have become a bit strained since I became an ex-Dub.

    In the past 6 years, I have been through an extended period of treatment for anxiety and depression (severe emotional illness), the loss of a career, bankruptcy and loss of all my assets, moving twice to very unfamiliar places, and separation and divorce from my 3rd wife, as well as leaving the religion I had been involved with for over 30 years. I was starting to rehabilitate myself financially and in general, when my ex-wife's lawsuit for child support enforcement was heard by the court.

    I would have filed a timely petition for a downward modification of my child support obligation, but was misled by a public counselor in California, with the result that my ex's lawsuit preceded the petition. Therefore, I am being held to payments that are actually higher than my average income for the past 5 years, and due to the impossibility of my fulfilling the court's orders, I am being criminalized. The court will not hear my petition for downward modification until I pay a large fine or spend time in jail. I can't produce the money for the fine, and if I spend the time in jail I will emerge homeless, penniless, and without a job - not to mention, having given up nearly everything that I have been laying as a foundation for a new and possibly desirable life.

    -----

    Evening update: I FINALLY talked with an attorney who thinks he can help me. I am to fax him documentation tomorrow. He will look it over and get back to me. He knows the judge who is handling the case, which I think is a huge plus. He listened to my whole story (a much longer version than the summary I have posted here), and seems basically sympathetic.

    This attorney encouraged me to consider teaching for a living, which is not too far from what I am doing now, actually, but would pay better, and is very much in line with my desires and general concept of my future path.

    Love and regards,
    George

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