by XPeterX 8 Replies latest watchtower bible
About 2000 years ago,a dying man was hunging from a cross for hours.At some point he looked at the sky and cried out "Father,father why have you forsaken me?".But no one saved him,no one cared.Minutes after that he died a horrible death.
My question is: If Jehovah abandoned Christ like this,what can be said about the rest of his followers?Those who put their trust in his teachings?Won't He forsake them too like he did with His only Son?
The biblical answer of course is: He was forsaken so that we might be adopted; the apporpriate response of the child of God being: My God, my God, why have you accepted me? And to this question, there is no answer.
you know, when I watched The passion of the Christ - I got all chocked up. When I read about whippings with that horrid tortours mechanism, I sobbed. This year I don't believe in god.
More than likely there was a man that believed in god so much that he wanted to change the circumstances of that day for the better and was willing to give his life for that cause. There was no god to help him in his need. The bible and god falls short of their promise to not put more on your plate than you can bare. It ended up killing not only one man but millions. That is the god people worship today - a blood thirsty god.
It's because you have no belief in an afterlife that you cannot wrap your head around this.
Many, me included, have no fear of death. Not to fond of the process but death itself? naw, I know where I'm going afterwards.
Now you will likely want to know how I 'know' this but I have given up long doctrinal debates with people because until they research for themselves they will never believe anything be it the jw, science, medical, family or whatnnot. Especially jw's (and often ex jw's as well (replace jw with any group of your choosing) hang onto so many of jw doctrines & beliefs they cannot open their mind to anything else until they have an aha! moment of their own. Maybe you never will. Are you uncomfortable with mysteries in life? must you have black and white answers? I know that is how my jw is anyway.
Keep searching.
I wish you well on your journey.
My question is: If Jehovah abandoned Christ like this,what can be said about the rest of his followers?
The thung is, XPeterX, that is not what happened. All Christian teaching, whether Jehovah's Witness or any other denomination, tells a fuller story. In the depths of his agony, Jesus felt abandoned, and uttered that anguished cry, echoing the sense of abandonment that so many feel in physical, mental or spiritual torment. But Jesus willingly went through that, knowing as he did so that he was still going to trust his Father and out of his love for him and for us gave his life so that we might be saved.
It seems as though he was abandoned, but he wasn't. You don't have to accept it, but that is what the Bible says.
Mark 15:34; Matt.27:46 "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud
voice, 'Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?'—which means, 'My God, my God, why have
you forsaken me?'"
Jesus here quoted the beginning of Psalm 22, in the custom of the day of using
an opening verse to imply the whole passage. Psalm 22 ends as a victory of com-
mitment to the Lord over adversity.
What Glenster said. The end of the Psalm is:
"future generations will be told about the Lord, and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, saying that he has done it."
God never forsook anyone, Jesus is just depicted as losing his mind at the end of the Book of Matthew and Mark because of being left to die while nailed to a cross for being the king of the Jews.
-Sab
You first must accept the theory that a divine being can be seperated from God, kenotic theory.
