Human suffering as a result of sin / Angelic suffering ? being the instigator of human sin ?

by smiddy 5 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  smiddy

  According to the bible adam & eve were created perfect and because they sinned,disobeyeyed GOD they, and their offspring have suffered death disease and unimaginable consequences these past 6000 years.They also needed a redeemer,a saviour,to rid themselves of this curse and once again, enjoy perfection,in a paradise earth,according to the WTB&TS. ( We wont even touch upon why the rest of creation needed to go through such suffering not only land animals but the creatures of the sea ) one species preys on another for survival .

  So my question is : Why wasn`t their some sort of paralell penalty dished out to Satan and any of his followers,Satan being the instigator,deceiving Eve in the first place.

  Shouldent Satan be more culpable than Adam or Eve ?

  What is his pain,suffering,these past 6000 years ,or his followers for that matter.

  Dont we read in Job`s day he still had access to the heavens and appeared b4 jehovah ?

  Yet so called faithfull men who served the almighty all their lives could not live in the presence of God.

  Why are humans ,a lesser form of creation than Angels,so discriminated against,we have a lifespan of 100 years at best ,if we are fortunate ,apparently the fallen angels have at least 6000 years of life and no hardships,suffering or pain.

  smiddy
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  Jehovah Witness

  2 Peter 2:4 "Certainly if God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgement,"

  Actually we got off easy compared to the Angels. The Angels that came to earth to sleep with woman were thrown in Tartarus with no chance of repentence, we on the other hand suffer now, but have forgiveness and the prospect of living forever on a paradise earth.
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  Nambo

  I know it seems like Jehovah personally goes around murdering babies and puppies as punishment for what we did in Eden, but Iam more inclined to think these "punishments of God" are more likely just the concesquences and results of our leaving Gods care than any deliberate action by God.

  The Angels, being self-sufficent, will naturally appear to suffer less than mankind as we are so much more vunerable.

  I belive the God proactively punishing part is carried out by Jesus, and occurs at the end of the 1000 years.
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  WTWizard

  Satan the culprit? I suggest reading that account more closely. Who was it that was trying to keep knowledge (i.e., wisdom) away from mankind? And why? Was it that Jehovah wanted to run a tyranny that he couldn't have had humans known good from bad?

  By the end of Genesis 3, Satan has already scored more righteous than Jehovah. Satan is a freedom fighter, and Jehovah a tyrant. And, it is the filthy angels that attack, blaming poor Satan and his demons, scaring people back to Jesus or Jehovah and extorting even more in order to prevent another angel attack in the name of poor Satan. Demons do not attack, and they would help mankind if Jehovah and his fxxxing angels would give them half a chance.
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  baltar447

  Why are people still arguing over mythology? sigh...
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  glenster

  ^ To make an analogy with the known and faith with the math of music and
  subjective reactions to music, because some people like the song. We can keep
  up to speed with the known and understanding faith as such, agree on the
  objective things and to allow freedom of subjective reactions and discussions
  about them. Preferably they can also agree to ground rules to not get 'centric
  or intolerant whichever the choice--both agreeing to dislike ther latter shown
  by either.

  One basic allegorical outlook could be to see it as the first people who had a
  concept of God (transcendent, necessary, eternal, creator/sustainer, etc., with
  a higher prerogative) and that they'd be lesser (be fallen) in all those regards
  with common human selfishness personified by the devil. They went from innocent
  of this (perfect) to Life in this lesser form, and suffering each others'
  selfishness, kicks peoples' butts (has them suffer as a result of sin).