I just downloaded the whole AJWRB site into the brains of two 18 year old spanish pioneers

by Shawn10538 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • Shawn10538
    Shawn10538

    I just happened to see them walking along a few stops before my bust stop, so I got off early to see if I could catch them. Then I ran into someone I knew, but I still was able to catch up to them.

    I told them who I was and that I work with AJWRB. They of course haven't heard about it, but I invited them to go on and check it out. Then we talked for about an hour. I did most of the talking. Some of the points I covered were:

    1. If you take a blood transfusion now you will not get disassociated or DFd

    2. JWs already accept almost every kind of blood transfusion there is.

    3. I asked them if they have decided which blood fractions they will accept. They never heard of a blood fraction or any of the names of blood fractions ie. albumin or hemoglobin, never heard of an autologous blood transfusion, never heard of cell saver technology, never heard of ANYTHING. They were completely clueless about any point I brought up.

    4. The changes that took place in the late 1990s

    5. The Bulgaria / European court on human rights scandal

    6. The most nbeautiful and respectful thing you can do with blood in imitation of Jesus Christ is to save a life with your blood.

    7. JWs accept donated blood

    8. JW lives are saved by people who donate blood.

    9. White blood cells are never transfused anymore so they don't need to ever worry about receiving white blood cell transfusions

    Anyway, I covered the gamut of blood issues and they listened very respectfully the whole time. At one point they said they needed to go to the meeting for Service, but I reminded them that they could count time talking to me. So they looked at their watches and continued listening.

    One of them really was interested, but the other one was more reserved and suspicious. needless to say they both have a lot of dissonant information running around their heads. I asked them if they were elders or ministerial servants yet and they said no. So I am thinking I caught them at a really good time, before they are really indoctrinated to the max. The fact that they stayed and listened to me shows their inexperience in the JW world. Almost any JW would have cut it short very quickly, since I was talking about helping JWs choose blood transfusions when their lives are endangered.

    I think I made a ripple in a pond. They will definitely talk to their elders about it and their elders will tell them it was all lies. But I suspect they knew I was being truthful to them. I think they will remember that conversation a really long time. Imagine if every JWNer had a similar experience, how many ripples would be spreading through the organization right now.

  • Perry
    Perry

    Good work!

  • ziddina
    ziddina
    "They will definitely talk to their elders about it and their elders will tell them it was all lies...."

    Maybe not...

    Perhaps their questions will fall on some elder's ear who is ALSO having questions... Or is willing to actually look things up and do some research.

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    Shawn10538,

    Thanks for sharing your experience. A Witness willing to listen has opportunity to learn.

    But I’d take care about making sweeping statements like “White blood cells are never transfused anymore”.

    Contemporary medicine does attempt to reduce the number of leukocytes in blood products for transfusion when these are not indicated. But when patient presentations indicate leukocyte transfusion then these are transfused. For example, due to cancer, bone marrow failure or chemotherapy a patient may present with need for transfusion of leukocytes. If you want to learn more feel free to ask. I’ll happily spend time gathering references and sharing them for your work.

    Nonetheless, it is good to share what we can to help others. Thanks again for sharing the incident you encountered.

    Marvin Shilmer

    http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com

  • steve2
    steve2

    Good on you for catching up with them. You do seem very eager and urgent in your approach. Rush, rush, rush. Where's the fire?

    Sounds like you shared lots of information with them in a short space of time. They appeared to listen, although one appeared cautious (Hey I would too if a complete stranger ran up to me and correctly identified me as beloniging to a minority religion and began to reel off lots of facts and figures).

    Beware of giving any listener "spiritual" indigestion - as lots of listeners could reach a point at which they are unable to take in more information and begin to go numb, kind of in one ear and out the other...But your urgency stands out and is just a tad on the nicer side of unhinged....

  • Disillusioned Lost-Lamb
    Disillusioned Lost-Lamb

    Good for you, you did a great job and a wonderful service for these two trapped souls.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    Good on you.

    We should all have our own specialised 'sermons' that we can trot out on suitable occasions to have them battling with their Cog Dis or doing some research to prove to themselves that we are liars.

    I reminded them that they could count time talking to me. So they looked at their watches and continued listening.

    Thanks for the laugh. That makes my day.

    Cheers

    Chris

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