The Bible - a hopeless book

by Norm 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • Norm
    Norm

    We all know that people are helpless and unable to understand the Bible on their own. Only by getting your hands on some Watchtower literature will you be able to “understand” the Bible. For all intent and purpose this of course makes the Bible redundant. Today it isn’t politically correct for any Jehovah's Witness to actually say such a thing but if the Bible is worthless without the aid of the Brooklyn produced tripe this is of course the case. In the earlier days of the Watchtower Society history, they didn’t hesitate to spell out their real attitude towards this to their readers.
    Of course the same attitudes are alive and well among the Witness population today as well, but as with so many other things, you just don’t say it. As we can read below, C. T. Russell must have been a very humble man. Anyway feast your eyes on these very candid words.

    “If the six volumes of SCRIPTURE STUDIES are practically the Bible topically arranged, with Bible proof texts given we might not improperly name the volumes - the Bible in an arranged form. That is to say, they are not merely comments on the Bible, but they are practically the Bible itself, since there is no desire to build any doctrine or thought on any individual preference or on any individual wisdom, but to present the entire matter on the lines of the Word of God. We therefore think it safe to follow this kind of reading, this kind of instruction this kind of Bible study .. .
    We would conclude, practically, that we could not understand anything about the Bible except as it was revealed. We would, therefore, not waste a great deal of time doing what we know some people do, reading chapter after chapter, to no profit. We would not think of doing it. We would not think we were studying the Scriptures at all. We would think we were following the course that had been anything but profitable to ourselves and many others in the past - merely reading over the Scriptures. We would say that the same Heavenly Father who had guided us to this Truth, to this understanding of the Scriptures as his children, if he had some further information for us he would bring it to our attention in some manner; and therefore we would not, see the necessity of reading the New Testament every day or every year; we would not consider that necessary. We were not put here primarily to read the Bible, but primarily to, serve the Lord and his Truth . . . God favors us in this time with an understanding of Present Truth, he has given us a knowledge of more truth than we could have gained in a thousand years if we had read and studied unaided. . . we might remark that quite a number of the friends in the Truth are making it a rule to read twelve pages of the SCRIPTURE STUDIES a day . . . whoever reads two pages of SCRIPTURE STUDIES each day with the suggested passage connected with those two pages, would do more Scripture studying in that, time than he could do by any other method.” WATCHTOWER, September 15, 1910, pp. 298 299.

    J.F. Rutherford, was of course no less confident that his own insane ranting was far superior to the Bible. Merely 15 minutes with one of his booklets was worth a whole year of Bible reading. Imagine that! All the faithful Bible thumpers could put a whole year of Bible study under their west in half an hour!! Wonder why the Society doesn’t reprint and distribute Rutherford’s booklets. Would save valuable time for all Witnesses, time they could spend peddling Watchtower literature to the public:

    “Each treatise can be read in just fifteen minutes, and more genuine satisfaction and profitable pleasure derived there from in that length of time than can be gotten from studying the Bible by yourself in a whole year.” VINDICATION 111, 1932, p. 383. See also GOLDEN AGE, August 17, 1932, p. 736.

    Of course it is hard to imagine any reading so utterly useless and a waste of time as reading the Bible, the only reading material that could possibly be more hopeless would be Watchtower literature.

    All I can say is that I do not have any problems with the parts of the Bible I don't understand. It is the parts I understand that is so utterly revolting.

    Norm.

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    I respectfully submit that I do not agree with either Russell, Rutherford, or your evaluation of the Bible, Norm. There are many things that I do not understand but I hesitate in calling those things 'utterly useless' ESPECIALLY after admitting that I do not understand them.

  • edster
    edster

    The bible was concocted at a time when the development of science was non existent and people were gullible. People attributed natural phenomenons that they couldn't explain as some sort of divine interference.If you told them an urban legend ,i reckon they would believe it. If David Copperfield existed back then and performed his illusions, they would think he was some angel. Also, the bible is one of the most sexist, violent, sexually explicit books around.

  • Bodhisattva
    Bodhisattva

    So, edster, you're saying that the Bible is a thoroughly modern book!

  • edster
    edster

    Bod:
    I think the bible needs revising. A second edition. Even the mormons have a volume 2 by Calvin smith .

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    Edster, have YOU thought of revising the Bible? I'd be interested in reading your spiritual insights.

    Guest 77

  • RWC
    RWC

    Edster, Don't you mean Joseph Smith? Also, the Bible you claim to have read is not the same one I have read. To contend that the bible is irrelevant to our times is simply a sign that that you have either never read it or have ignored what you have read. It contains lessons for all generations, it has wonderful poetry, it talks of love like no other book, it expresses universal thruths that even those who believe in the Bible take as truth, it talks about love and respect for women like no other religious text, it tells of great men of courage and convictions, it tells of men who died for their beliefs, it talks of people with great character and also talks of people's failings. In short is the greatest book ever written.

  • Norm
    Norm

    RWC,

    You said:

    it talks of love like no other book, it expresses universal thruths that even those who believe in the Bible take as truth, it talks about love and respect for women like no other religious text, it tells of great men of courage and convictions, it tells of men who died for their beliefs, it talks of people with great character and also talks of people's failings. In short is the greatest book ever written.
    Indeed, how can anyone argue with such powerful words. Just take a look at these wonderful Bible texts and let the love, the respect for women and children flow all over you. Contemplate the great character of Moses, how he was inflamed over the insubordinance of those stubborn people who didn't respect the word of God and slaughtered all the men women and children as he had ordered:

    *** Rbi8 Numbers 31:14-18 ***
    And Moses grew indignant at the appointed men of the combat forces, the chiefs of the thousands and the chiefs of the hundreds who were coming in from the military expedition. 15 So Moses said to them: “Have YOU preserved alive every female? 16 Look! They are the ones who, by Ba'laam’s word, served to induce the sons of Israel to commit unfaithfulness toward Jehovah over the affair of Pe'or, so that the scourge came upon the assembly of Jehovah. 17 And now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with man by lying with a male. 18 And preserve alive for yourselves all the little ones among the women who have not known the act of lying with a male.

    *** Rbi8 Numbers 31:35-41 ***
    35 As for human souls from the women who had not known the act of lying with a male, all the souls were thirty-two thousand... 41 Then Moses gave the tax as Jehovah’s contribution to El•e•a'zar the priest, just as Jehovah had commanded Moses.

    Who can argue with the Bible? And what immense love God showed for those women who happened to have "layed with a male" especially considering what free choice those 12 year old children had when it comes to "laying"! Wow, what a lovely divine book!

    Norm

  • edster
    edster

    RWC
    The bible does contain classic fictional stories that have lessons for us today but to believe that these stories were fact is ludicrous. Creating the universe in seven days, parting of the red sea, jonah and the whale etc...pull the other one.

  • edster
    edster

    77
    Maybe revised is not the appropriate word but "heavily edited" is.

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