Common Cult Vocabulary Compared To Phenotypes

by DarioKehl 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • DarioKehl
    DarioKehl

    Tonight, I watched the season opener of the new show on the Nat Geo Channel about the religious colony in Montana (USA) called the Hutterites. There is also another fantastic show called Amish: Out of Order. Both shows focus on ex-members or people inside wishing to escape and follows them as they adjust to their new lives on the outside. Having recently met and befriended an ex-Seventh Day Adventist and in speaking with a few ex-Mormon friends, I noticed several common terms that all of these groups share with JWs. Two terms came up in the Hutterite program tonight AND the Amish show a few weeks ago:

    "Frowned upon"

    and

    "...if the elders find out..."

    a few others that are shared with LDS and SDA are:

    "disfellowship"

    "heavy petting"

    "worldy"

    "the group (organization/colony)"

    "brothers and sisters"

    "like-minded"

    "independant thinking (in a pejorative sense)"

    and "what will others think?"

    "family study (or family Bible reading/family home evening)"

    Each of these groups originated independantly, separated geographically or by a few decades. But all seemed to originate in the late 1700-1800s. I'm interested to know how these groups developed similar vocabulary having never crossed paths with one another. Granted, the SDA and JWs share common ancestry with the Millerite movement, but the other highly controlled groups are almost hermetically sealed from outside influences. Are there any sociology people who wanna chime in with their theories on how this phenomenon may have arose? This was actually one of the big wake-up moments for me. When I discovered that JWs were actually not that different from many other "false" religious groups, it blew my mind. I finally realized, "Hey wait a sec... we are not really all that unique from all the other oddball religions out there!" That was a huge boost to my mental exit from dubland. And after hearing our new Kingdom Melodies, nothing ever sounded more "churchy" to me before.

    My theory is this: Religions evolve too. Analogy: There are north American wolves and Australian wolves. The difference is, the Australian wolves are marcupial as are most Australian mammals. That trait is unique to Australia and a few other tiny coastal areas facing Australia in the southern hemisphere (eastern S. America); evidence that the 2 land masses were connected at one time and that all the marcupials share a common marcupial ancestor. The American wolf and Australian wolf are not even closely related. They arose within 2 entirely different branches of evolution. However, both the American and Australian environments positively selected for specific phenotypes. In other words, both locations had environments that provided a suitable niche for species that were wolf-like. I think these separate offshoots of religions developed the same way. Within their cultural environments, each group deemed it necessary to develop similar vocabulary to ensure the survival of their religion from generation to generation. Agree? Disagree? Gimmie your thoughts, I'd like to hear what you guys have to say.

  • DarioKehl
    DarioKehl

    ...crickets.

    Does this mean my hunch is correct? Or is this an incredibly stupid topic? lol

  • Witness My Fury
    Witness My Fury

    It's had 24 views so far, give it a chance.

    No a cult is a cult is a cult is a cult. Same old same old. There are bound to be commonalities between them in terms and methods despite the efforts for "difference". JWs think they are unique, they aint.

  • Chariklo
    Chariklo
    Does this mean my hunch is correct? Or is this an incredibly stupid topic? lol

    Far from being an incredibly stupid topic, it's a really interesting topic. DarioKehl, I need to think about this, never having thought about it in this way before. I'll get back to you on it.

  • still thinking
    still thinking
    "the group (organization/colony)"
    "brothers and sisters"
    "like-minded"

    All words to make them seem appealing and family like......who doesn't want to be part of a family?

    independant thinking

    Religions greatest fear....keep everyone ignorant and 'like minded'.....easier to keep control

    disfellowship

    well, that one speaks for itself....a threat to be excluded. It's like a bad relationship, being blackmailed to stay and being afraid to leave.

    Not surprising since this idea goes all the way back to the catholic church...and lets face it, how many christian religions don't go back to them in one way or another. Worked well for them for centuries, along with burning and torturing, why change something that works. Unless you're as big as the Catholic church and can use other ways to control the masses, then you reduce it to only disfellowshipping your truly loyal, ie priests, bishops etc....they don't often use the term on the general rank and file these days but it is still there in the catholic encylopedia for all to see.

    Now I ask you....whats not to love about some christian religions?...oh thats right...they teach love don't they? I forgot.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Good topic ! it amazed me when talking to ex-Mormons and ex-SAD's how very similar the expressions and methods were. More or less identical Cult-speak and identical behaviour and mind-control methods.

    I joked to one SAD lady about all these Cult leaders going togrther to a night-school course on how to run a cult, the similarities were so striking.

    "The Evolution of Cults", a book could be written about it.

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    This is one of the patterns that really woke me up. That all human institutions including religion evolve over time, splinter, evolve further, assimilate ideas, reject others, etc. What I managed to see is that JWs are NO DIFFERENT AT ALL. Sure, they claim that change is due to "new light" or "Jehovah's chariot changing direction" but in the end, what we a seeing is the evolution of a human institution, not a divinely inspired organization.

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  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    DarioKehl:

    I agree that the religions you mention are very much alike in some respects and I sometimes wonder if they all consult the same manual (LOL). What a strange coincidence that they use very similar language!

    I once watched a show about the Amish on TV with a JW friend. The whole time I was watching I was hoping that her brain cells would spark up and wonder about the similarity between certain things they do and the JWs. ( I have to watch what I say around her.)

    I was hoping she would come to see by herself that she belongs to a religion that is more akin to these other religions than she would dare to admit.

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