Very funny video explaining why dying for the sake of refusing blood makes no sense biblically

by cedars 8 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • cedars
    cedars

    Hi everyone

    I'm becoming increasingly intrigued by the work of jwFairyTale, who posts videos on YouTube giving his take on all things JW related. I don't think his stuff is for everyone. He's clearly quite emotional about his JW experience, and I can see his language and face paint ruffling the feathers of the more easily offended JWs. However, I'm a firm believer that humour is one of the best ways of combatting cults such as the Watch Tower organization - and what you get with jwFairyTale is humour in abundance. He's clearly a very funny and talented individual.

    His latest video uses some excellent reasoning and the Society's own literature to prove biblically that there is no good scriptural basis for refusing blood transfusions. Why? Well, jwFairyTale uses a Questions From Readers article from the April 15th 1994 Watchtower magazine which asks "When Saul's soldiers ate meat along with the blood, why were they not executed, since that was the punishment set out in God's law?" An excellent question!

    Here is the video below so you can see for yourself how the argument is developed. I would advise starting the video at 5:10 if you want to leap straight to the part about the article, which I personally found to be the most interesting part of the video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE1vzQ9lkQk

    When I was an indoctrinated JW, this story of Saul's soldiers was never something I gave too much thought to. However, when you read this Q from R article from an objective viewpoint, you see that the reasoning offered by the Society is entirely vague and strewn with false reasoning and conjecture. jwFairyTale points out very well that, if Saul's soldiers were forgiven due to the "extreme situation" they faced, and their "respect for blood" regardless of their actions, then why wouldn't someone dying on a hospital bed be similarly forgiven by God for relenting to a blood transfusion? Doesn't having one's life endangered by abstaining not also constitute an "extreme situation"?

    Maybe I should have been aware of this before, but it was really an eye-opener for me - and I'm very grateful to jwFairyTale for highlighting this article.

    For those who are interested, I have included the "Questions From Readers" in full below:

    When Saul’s soldiers ate meat along with the blood, why were they not executed, since that was the punishment set out in God’s Law?

    These men did violate God’s law on blood, but they may have been shown mercy because they had respect for blood, even though they should have been more diligent about showing such respect.

    Consider the situation. The Israelites under King Saul and his son Jonathan were at war with the Philistines. At a point when “the men of Israel themselves were hard pressed” in battle, Saul rashly took an oath that his men should not eat until the enemy was defeated. (1 Samuel 14:24) Soon his oath created a problem.

    His men were winning a hard-fought battle, but the strenuous effort was taking its toll. They were famished and exhausted. What did they do in that extreme situation? “The people began darting greedily at the spoil and taking sheep and cattle and calves and slaughtering them on the earth, and the people fell to eating along with the blood.”—1 Samuel 14:32.

    That was in violation of God’s law concerning blood, as some of Saul’s people told him, saying: “Look! The people are sinning against Jehovah by eating along with the blood.” (1 Samuel 14:33) Yes, the Law said that when animals were slaughtered, the blood had to be drained before the meat was eaten. God did not demand taking fanatical measures to drain the blood. By taking reasonable steps of drainage, his servants could manifest respect for the significance of blood. (Deuteronomy 12:15, 16, 21-25) Animal blood could be used in a sacrificial way on the altar, but it was not to be eaten. Deliberate violation was punishable by death, for God’s people were told: “You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh, because the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off.”—Leviticus 17:10-14.

    Were the soldiers of King Saul deliberately breaking the Law? Were they showing absolute disregard for the divine law on blood?—Compare Numbers 15:30.

    We need not conclude so. The record says that they were ‘slaughtering the animals on the earth and eating along with the blood.’ So they may have been making some attempt to drain the blood. (Deuteronomy 15:23) Yet, in their exhausted, famished state, they did not hang up the slaughtered carcasses and allow adequate time for normal blood drainage. They slaughtered the sheep and cattle “on the earth,” which could retard drainage. And they quickly cut meat from carcasses that might have been lying in blood. Hence, even if they had in mind obeying God’s law, they did not follow through in proper ways nor to an adequate extent.

    The result was that “the people fell to eating along with the blood,” which was sinful. Saul recognized this and ordered that a large stone be rolled to him. He commanded the soldiers: “Bring near to me, each one of you, his bull and, each one, his sheep, and you must do the slaughtering in this place and the eating, and you must not sin against Jehovah by eating along with the blood.” (1 Samuel 14:33, 34) The guilty soldiers obeyed, and “Saul proceeded to build an altar to Jehovah.”—1 Samuel 14:35.

    Slaughtering animals on the stone probably effected adequate blood drainage. Meat from the animals would be eaten away from where the slaughtering occurred. Saul may have used some of the drained blood on the altar in seeking God’s mercy toward those who had sinned. Jehovah extended mercy, apparently because he knew what attempts the soldiers had made even though they were very tired and hungry. God may also have taken into account that Saul’s rash oath had pressed his men into that desperate situation.

    This account does show that an emergency situation is no excuse for disregarding divine law. It should also help us see the need for careful thought before taking an oath, for a rash vow can cause problems for us personally and for others.—Ecclesiastes 5:4-6.

    (As always, if you haven't yet taken part in the 2012 JW Survey, please do so!)

    Cedars

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    JWfairytale is one of my favourite youtubers!

  • NOLAW
    NOLAW

    That explanation is a bunch of b******t! The blood there refers to the blood of their enemies they killed in the battle or even that of their comrades. It was human blood not animal blood. Their hands, swords, clothes were covered with human blood and maybe even some were bleeding to death next to them. It would be the utmost disrespect for human life to eat food in such an environment.

  • whathappened
    whathappened

    Thank you for this post, Cedars. This is good stuff!

  • fedup
    fedup

    This is the best argument that I've seen yet which ridicules WT and the blood issue.

    You don't have to present new info to take them down, the WT and their articles do it themselves.

    Really good video and post

    Thanks

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    Pretty good video.

  • cedars
    cedars

    I'd forgotten about this thread and the video.

    Watching the video again, it occurs to me that not all congregations will have elders who are so obsessive about making sure EVERY publisher has (or signs) their NO BLOOD card. In the brief time that I was an elder, there was no inclination expressed by any elders to chase down publishers to see whether they'd signed their cards. If anything, I had publishers voluntarily approaching me and asking me to witness their signatures for them without any need for coercion on my part. I shudder to think of those few blood cards that I've signed and thereby validated for others, and I hope they don't lead to any loss of life.

    When it came to my own blood card, I wasn't remotely fastidious about keeping it updated or keeping it on my person at all times, nor was I pressured by others to that end. It was just assumed that I had it taken care of. The whole blood issue didn't weigh on my mind that much, and I wasn't chased about it by anyone. So THAT part of the video is a little exaggerated from my own personal perspective, although jwfairytale may well be describing the way things were done in his congregation back when he was a Witness - and we all know how different congregations often have different ways of doing things, which may change over time.

    The rest of the video about the Questions From Readers article is spot on, and very powerful reasoning. It should be used more.

    His heartfelt expressions toward the end of the video are also very poignant.

    Cedars

  • blond-moment
    blond-moment

    I love jwfairytale. Yes, he isn't for everyone, he can be abrasive, crude, and scary. However, he is funny, and he is laughter thru the tears kind of thing. He is also, very knowledgable, and has great insight. He has said many things that have got me off into some thinking or researching tangent. He has a way of putting things, it really is brilliant.

    Funny story, when I was first looking into apostate stuff, and sweating bullets, stomach doing flip flops and scared out of my mind of apostates, his was one of the first I clicked on. haha. The name is nice, jwfairytale, it had a nice thumbnail of WT literature, clicked on it, and nice music intro then BOOM, fairy in all his make up and screaming glory haha. I couldn't click out fast enough! I laugh out loud now, about how I was then. So funny.

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    This account does show that an emergency situation is no excuse for disregarding divine law. It should also help us see the need for careful thought before taking an oath, for a rash vow can cause problems for us personally and for others.-Ecclesiastes 5:4-6.

    Really? What about this scripture? Mathew 12:9-14

    9 Jesus left and went into one of the Jewish meeting places, 10 where there was a man whose hand was crippled. Some Pharisees wanted to accuse Jesus of doing something wrong, and they asked him, "Is it right to heal someone on the Sabbath?"

    11 Jesus answered, "If you had a sheep that fell into a ditch on the Sabbath, wouldn't you lift it out? 12 People are worth much more than sheep, and so it is right to do good on the Sabbath." 13 Then Jesus told the man, "Hold out your hand." The man did, and it became as healthy as the other one.

    14 The Pharisees left and started making plans to kill Jesus.

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