I happened to be browsing in the Just JW MSN forum...I happened upon this interesting thread.....the most interesting thing is that all men replied to a question on oral sex and they want to research it more...please read below for some rousing good fun!!
From: teenyuck (Original Message) Sent: 06/03/2002 11:14
Hello All,
I am new here...I was raised in the truth..I am third generation. My great-grandfather was one of the 144,000.
I am married to an unbeliever. I met him at work and he was very kind and thoughtful. He thought I was beautiful in spite of my obvious faults. We were married a few years ago and I have a very embarrassing question that I simply cannot speak to someone about...I am mortified and need advice.
My husband and I enjoy oral sex...I was looking through some old bound volumes in my mothers basement and came across some information that is disturbing me...the old magazines say that it is wrong to do. I have stopped doing this with my husband...he does not understand why.
I am totally confused. I do not know what to do. I cannot speak to my mother..she has never discussed this type of thing. I was unable to photocopy the magazines and I do not know how to use a scanner. I am not even sure if my mother has a scanner.
Anyway, is there some spiritual advice I can get...anonymously? I simply cannot talk about this with the elders...they are men and looking at someone and discussing this would be devestating.
Any help from married brothers and sisters would be appreciated.
Love and regards,
teenyuck
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From: Henry Largo 150 Sent: 06/03/2002 14:33
Teenyuck,
I can understand your enbarresment, and your mortification in regard to your problem. You have stopped and that is good. Articles that might help you are.
w83 3/15 "Honor Godly Marriage" and w78 2/15 Questions from Readers. Although some years old now they are still relevant.
These articles will help you be firm in your resolve, and help you to see things the way Jehovah see's them.
Regards,
Henry.
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From: Ken Sent: 06/03/2002 18:20
Dear Teenyuck:
I am married to an unbelieving mate also, and I came across the TRUTH while I was in prison. My wife and I also enjoy this type of activity. I had the very same question when I went to an Elder.
Question: What brought this up?
Answer: I read in the "Examining the Scriptures Daily 2002"
booklet: on Friday, February 22
---Flee from fornication.
"While sexuality is a gift from God, it is not to be Expressed without restraint,even within the marriage arrangment. Eph. 5:28-30; 1 Pet. 3:1,7
Outside of marriage, sexual relations are forbidden. The Bible is quite specific on this matter. ( Ex. 20:14; Mark 7: 21,22 ) What is meant by the word "fornication"? It is translated from the Greek word por.nei'a, which is Somtimes used to apply to sexual relations between unmarried people. ( 1 Cor. 6: 9 ) Elsewhere, such as at Mat.5:32, 19:9, the term is broader in meaning and refers to additionally to adultry, incest, and beastiality. Other sexual practices between individuals not married to each other, such as oral and anal sex and the sexual mainipulation of another's genitalia, can also be designated as por.nei'a. All such practices are condmened --either explicitly or by implication--in God's Word.--Lev. 20:10,13,15,16; Rom. 1:24,26,27,32.
w11/1/00 5,6
We also looked it up on the index CD-Rom, and basically what it boils down to is the "Faithfull and Discreat Slave has not came right out and said that oral sex is a sin or not.
What the Elder told me that you basically stand before JEHOVAH ON YOUR OWN in this matter
I hope this will help you out in your choice in the matter
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From: reseacher tony Sent: 07/03/2002 00:12
Hi, this is Tony, I would like to add to what Ken has said...
Sometimes, information like this can be had to find.. but it is there.
Our Cong. Once had a Talk on this, I remember, because to hear any talk on this is hair raising.
Even in marriage, there are things that are called "unclean", oral sex ,anal sex were described as such.
"Loose conduce" , "uncleanness" are good to look up in index
w92 7/15 8-13 Christ Hated Lawlessness-Do You?
Hating Sexual Uncleanness
15 As Christians, we must particularly hate all uncleanness that involves sexual matters. By creating mankind with strong mating instincts, God served two fine purposes. He made certain that the human race would not die out, and he also made a most loving provision for happiness. Even people who are poor, illiterate, or disadvantaged in some other way can find great happiness in the marital relationship. However, Jehovah has set bounds within which this relationship may be enjoyed. These divinely stated limits must be respected.—Genesis 2:24; Hebrews 13:4.
16 If we hate lawlessness, we will studiously avoid all sexually unclean practices and immoral entertainment. We will therefore avoid all morally questionable books, magazines, and newspapers. Likewise, if we hate lawlessness, we will not view any unclean visual presentations, whether on television, in motion pictures, or on the stage. If we find a program to be immoral, we should be moved to switch off the television set at once or should have the courage to leave the theater. Similarly, hating lawlessness will make us guard against all music that is passion-arousing in its lyrics or its tempo. We will not seek knowledge of immoral matters but will be ‘babes as to badness, yet full-grown in powers of understanding.’—1 Corinthians 14:20.
I Know there is more, I just can't find it. Ask an Elder you can talk too, and ask, he'll known were to look.
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From: reseacher tony Sent: 07/03/2002 00:21
If you need more information then this, maybe someone, and even I can ask for you.
Its a gutsy subject, hard for any to ask, but I'll try myself. Oh boy!!!
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From: reseacher tony Sent: 07/03/2002 00:57
I Found it....Great, and I didn't have to ask anyone...Oh boy!!!
tp 142-51 13 Your View of Sex-What Difference Does It Make?
Wisely Avoiding All Uncleanness and Sexual Greed
17 Sexual relations plainly have a proper place in the lives of married persons. God provided this as the means by which children would be produced, and also as a source of pleasure to the parents. (Genesis 9:1; Proverbs 5:18, 19; 1 Corinthians 7:3-5) Nevertheless, he warned against abusing this gift.—Ephesians 5:5.
18 Because of the emphasis placed on sex today, many young folks find that their desire for sexual satisfaction is aroused even before they are in position to marry. As a result, some of them seek pleasure through self-stimulation of their sexual parts. This is masturbation, or self-abuse. Is it a proper or wise practice?
19 The Scriptures counsel: "Deaden, therefore, your body members that are upon the earth as respects fornication, uncleanness, sexual appetite, hurtful desire, and covetousness." (Colossians 3:5) Is one who practices masturbation ‘deadening his body members as respects sexual appetite’? On the contrary, he is stimulating the sexual appetite. The Bible urges that one avoid the thinking and conduct that lead to such problems, replacing them with wholesome activity, and that one cultivate self-control. (Philippians 4:8; Galatians 5:22, 23) When earnest effort is put forth to do this, such self-abuse can be avoided, with benefits mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.
20 What the Bible says respecting "uncleanness, sexual appetite, hurtful desire" applies to all Christians, single and married. It is true that husband and wife have a Scriptural right to engage in sexual relations with each other. But does this mean that they can throw off all restraint? The fact that God’s Word urges all Christians to cultivate self-control argues against such a view. (2 Peter 1:5-8)
The inspired Bible writer did not have to explain the natural way in which the reproductive organs of husband and wife complement each other. Homosexual relations obviously cannot follow this natural way. So, male and female homosexuals employ other forms of intercourse in what the apostle refers to as "disgraceful sexual appetites" and "obscene" practices. (Romans 1:24-32) Could married couples imitate such homosexual forms of intercourse in their own marriage and still be free in God’s eyes from expressing "disgraceful sexual appetites" or "hurtful desire"?
21 On considering what the Scriptures say, a person may realize that his former thinking on these matters was molded by those who are, as the Bible says, "past all moral sense." But, with God’s help, one can "put on the new personality," which is molded in accord with God’s standards of righteousness. (Ephesians 4:17-24) In this way a person shows that he truly means it when he says that he wants to do God’s will.
18, 19. (a) Why is the practice of masturbation, or self-abuse, not proper for a Christian? (b) What can help a person to avoid such a practice?
20. What shows that it would not be proper for husband and wife to throw off all restraint in their sexual relations with each other?
21. Regardless of what a person’s way of life may have been in the past, what opportunity is open to him now?
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From: Ken Sent: 07/03/2002 04:10
Reseacher Tony;
I want to thank you for your dillegence and hard work on this issue. I have talked to another Christian since I posted my last message and I have been watching your replies to different issues and I realize that you have a deeper understanding of the Scriptures than I do. I must admite that I have not found so much as one shred of evidence to support the idea that it is ok for married people to engage in the typ of behavier that we are talking about here.
I just yesterday recieved a brand new set of Insight on the Schriptures Volumes, and I WILL be looking futher into this matter, though I fear that I am not as fast as you are in doing reseacher.
This is a wonderfull oppunitiy to prvide a good witness to any that may be looding for the TRUTH. I can see by your spiritual outter garments that you are a fine Christian!
Well, I better quite before it starts to sound like fan mail.
Once again, thanks
KEN
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From: teenyuck Sent: 07/03/2002 06:33
Thank you for your help...I was just able to log back on....my husband is at work....I will go over all the information presented..I need to print it out so I can read it better...
I really appreciate the insights...I honestly never thought about this...it never came up before we married and then it seemed ok. Now I am really worried that I have messed up...this is much easier than looking at someone and explaining my problem...I simply cannot do that. I do need to talk with my husband and I need to be armed with the correct information. He has always respected my views so perhaps we can work this out.
Hugs for your help.
Teenyuck