Holy permits batman!!!

by Elsewhere 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    I was just reading through the codes for my city (Irving, TX) and discovered something interesting: A person or organization must register with the City Secretary's Office before they can go house-to-house for religious reasons (AKA, Jehovah's Witnesses going door-to-door).

    ARTICLE IV. RELIGIOUS SOLICITATIONS

    Sec. 27-23. Registration requirement.

    (a) It shall be unlawful to conduct any religious solicitations in any office building or any public or private place, or by house-to-house canvass unless the person and religious organization conducting religious solicitations shall first have registered with the office of city secretary in compliance with this article.

    (b) It shall be an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section if a person, organization, society, association, or corporation conducting a religious solicitation obtains a charitable permit in compliance with Article III of this chapter or a commercial permit in compliance with Article II of this chapter.

    (Ord. No. 4177, § 2, 7-28-83)

    Sec. 27-24. Form of registration.

    (a) A religious solicitor required to register hereunder shall first register in person with the city secretary's office giving the following information:

    (1) Name of registrant and his permanent address;

    (2) Name of the person, organization, society, association or corporation the registrant represents and the telephone number and address of its principal office;

    (3) Duration and location of the proposed solicitations;

    (4) Method or methods to be used in conducting the solicitations; and

    (5) Approximate number of participants.

    (b) Registration expires after one (1) year and must be renewed annually. If a change occurs in any of the information submitted with the registration, the registrant or organization shall notify the city secretary's office of the change as soon as possible.

    (Ord. No. 4177, § 2, 7-28-83)

    "As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible" - The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126
    Believe in yourself, not mythology.
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  • Mister Biggs
    Mister Biggs

    I must say that in my area we have always had to register at the police station first. I live just outside of Philly, PA.

    L. Ron Hubbard was killed by fire ants.

  • Scully
    Scully

    Maybe a print out of that by-law featured in a flyer that says "Next time JWs come to your door, CALL THE POLICE!" would be very useful. I think your neighbours will love you for it.

    Love, Scully

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf
    ARTICLE IV. RELIGIOUS SOLICITATIONS

    Sec. 27-23. Registration requirement.

    (a) It shall be unlawful to conduct any religious solicitations....

    Such an ordinance doesn't apply to Jehovah's Witnesses, since they are NOT solicitors. A solicitor is someone who has come to the person's door for some personal, self-serving benefit. Such is not the case with the Ministerial activity of Jehovah's Witness, as they go to the homes of people to give of themselves, not to receive something from the householder.

    If you disagree with what I've said, then see if you can get the City Officials of Irving, Texas to ban the door-to-door activity of Jehovah's Witnesses. (Irving is close to Fort Worth and Dallas, is it not ... not really so very far from where I live.)

    I'm sure that you've observed the Witnesses out doing what they are instructed to do by their Master, Jesus Christ. (Matthew 28:19, 20) Why do you suppose you see this? Because it's against the law?

    While I was an active Witness and we would come upon a home that had a sign at the door that said "No Solicitors Please", we never considered that it applied to us since we were not there for personal gain. Not one time did I ever have an experience in which such a householder said to me, "Didn't you see the sign?"

    Check it out, if you just have to!

    Yadirf

    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • Budda Belly
    Budda Belly

    Friday..

    What made you stop going door to door?

    You should want to get out there and heed Jesus'
    words if you plan to escape Jah's wrath.

    Of course you are welcome to hang out here and
    furthur drift away from God's grace.

    BB

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    Budda Belly

    I've talked about that before. Where have you been? Also, have you never paid any attention at all to my signature scripture? That, in itself, explains a lot of why I'm presently inactive. Actually though, technically I haven't been "inactive" entirely ... since I have invested many hours and months in producing documents that I share with my brothers in Brooklyn. Does that count? Well, of course that's not "going door to door" like you asked about is it? Look over my posts here at JW.com and I think you'll understand just why I've placed that on hold for the time being.

    And, BTW, Budda sure DID have a "belly" didn't he!

    Yadirf

    Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    ARTICLE I. DEFINITIONS
    Sec. 27-1. Definitions.

    * Solicit * shall mean selling or attempting to sell goods or merchandise, services or anything of value, or to take or attempt to take orders for the future delivery of goods or merchandise, or anything of value, or take or attempt to take orders for services to be furnished or performed in the future when the solicitation occurs upon the premises of another or upon any public property.

    * Religious solicitation * and solicitations for a religious purpose shall mean and include any course of conduct whereby any person, organization, society, association or corporation, or any agent, member or representative thereof, solicits property or financial assistance of any kind or sells or offers for sale any article, tag, service, emblem, publication, ticket, advertisement, subscription or anything of value on the plea or representation that such sale or solicitation or the proceeds therefrom are for a religious purpose, on the streets, in any office building or any other public or private place, or by house-to-house canvassing.

    If they mention "financial assistance of any kind" (Donation) then they are soliciting. All I have to do is ask "how much does the publication cost?", and they will say, "Oh, it is on a donation basis".

    Here is a hyperlink to the full text:
    http://fws.municode.com/CGI-BIN/om_isapi.dll?advquery=solicitor&aquery=solicitor&headingswithhits=on&headingswithhits=on&hitsperheading=on&hitsperheading=on&infobase=10943x.nfo&record={3372}&record=dochitfirst&softpage=newtestchapterviewnonframe&submit1=Search&{3378}=

    "As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible" - The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126
    Believe in yourself, not mythology.
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  • Budda Belly
    Budda Belly

    Thanks Friday..

    I have not really been paying much
    attention here at jwcom.
    I will take closer note of your comments
    in the future.

    When I did the door to door work, I always felt it
    was a waste of resource, time, and energy. I allways
    thought the Watchtower should employ some modern
    means to communicate. After all it was to his annointed that
    Jesus commanded they preach door to door. The other sheep
    were not being instructed by Jesus in those verses.

    Remember how the Worldwide Church of God did it?
    One tv show and a news stand with the PlainTruth at every
    corner in America. To bad that church fell apart, they did it
    so much better then the Watchtower. I bet you read the Plain Truth
    when it was in circulation.

    BB

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    Elsewhere

    Here's an abbreviated version of it:

    * Religious solicitation * and solicitations for a religious purpose shall mean and include any course of conduct whereby any person....solicits property or financial assistance of any kind or sells or offers for sale any.... publication....on the plea....that such sale or solicitation or the proceeds therefrom are for a religious purpose....
    Then this is what you said:
    If they mention "financial assistance of any kind" (Donation) then they are soliciting. All I have to do is ask "how much does the publication cost?", and they will say, "Oh, it is on a donation basis".
    You're obviously grasping at straws. Do you actually think that you could convince local authorities that Jehovah's Witnesses go to peoples homes for the purpose of seeking "financial assistance"? Do you really think that you could convince them that JWs go to peoples doors in hopes that they can go away having secured a "donation"? If you really do believe that, you are out of your ever-loving mind! I might remind you that more likely than not the very ones that you would be attempting to convince know first hand what JWs come to their door for. Are you so naive as to think that JWs haven't been to each of THEIR doors as well?

    I'll repeat what I said earlier, since you seem to be hard of hearing. I said:

    Such an ordinance doesn't apply to Jehovah's Witnesses, since they are NOT solicitors. A solicitor is someone who has come to the person's door for some personal, self-serving benefit. Such is not the case with the Ministerial activity of Jehovah's Witness, as they go to the homes of people to give of themselves, not to receive something from the householder.
    I challenge you to go to the City Hall and file a complaint. I can assure you that you will go away having made a big fat ass of yourself. You'll be wishing you had been elsewhere, rather than down at the City Hall in Irving, Texas.

    Yadirf

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