Jesus' Sword

by JosephAlward 4 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • JosephAlward
    JosephAlward

    I’m reposting here an argument that appeared in November, 2001, which received little in the way of meaningful rebuttal. Perhaps RWC and other die-hard inerrantists on this forum will be able to show why we shouldn’t believe that Matthew’s claims are ridiculous.

    Here it is:

    The author of the Matthew “gospel” was by far the most unreliable of the Bible’s writers, as evidenced by his appalling lack of understanding of the Old Testament and his willingness to imagine that it was filled with prophecies of the coming savior.

    One of the more ridiculous prophecy-fulfillment attempts by Matthew concerns a speech he says Jesus made about the family unit. Matthew's source for this story is the book of Micah, in which a decayed society and its corrupt rulers are described in disparaging terms:


    The godly have been swept from the land…For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law – a man's enemies are the members of his own household. (Micah 7:2-6)


    Matthew must have only half-remembered what the passage above was about because he mistakenly took the Micah passage to be a prediction of something that would occur when the savior came to earth; he evidently also wrongly thought that Micah was describing something a savior would bring to pass. Thus, presumably without thinking about it too hard, he wrote a story which describes Jesus wanting to turn family members against one another:

    Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-36)

    This is preposterous; was not Jesus supposed to be infinitely kind? Even if he was only just ordinarily kind, he certainly would never have wished to turn daughter against mother.

    Which is more likely? That Matthew was right in his interpretation of Micah, and Jesus really did say these words, or Matthew was wrong, and that this is a false story manufactured from misunderstood or misremembered Old Testament stories, foolishly thought by Matthew to be prophecies of the coming messiah?

    Joseph F. Alward
    "Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"

    http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

  • stocwach
    stocwach

    Joe Joe Joe, tsk. tsk. tsk.

    Instead of taking Bible verses out of context, why don't you give readers a better background of what was happening in Matthew.

    Jesus had assembled the 12 apostles and instructed them to announce to the people of Israel that the Kingdom was near.

    In addition to mentioning that they would be handed over to the courts, beaten in the synagogues, arrested, etc. Matt. 10: 21-22 says (NLT) "Brother will betray brother to death, fathers will betray their own children, and children will rise against their parents and cause them to be killed. AND EVERYONE WILL HATE YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR ALLEGIANCE TO ME. But those who endure to the end will be saved." My how this changes everything eh Joey boy?

    Matthews prophecy is 100% accurate! It has nothing to do with Jesus being kind or not. It's about Bible prophecy being fulfilled that Jesus would be rejected, so much so to the very core of the family unit.

    Interesting verse however is one that can be appropriately applied directly to you Joe--vs. 26 says "...For the time is coming when everything will be revealed; all that is secret will be made public."

    Joe Alward debunked yet once again.

  • willy_think
    willy_think

    "Think not that I am come to send peace", temporal peace and outward prosperity. they thought the Christ came to give all his followers wealth and power in the world. "no,"' says Christ, "I did not come with a view to give them peace; peace in heaven they may be sure of, but not peace on earth." Christ came to give us peace with God, peace in our consciences, peace with our brethren, but "in the world ye shall have tribulation".,

    They mistake the design of the gospel, those who think their profession of it will secure them from, for it will expose them to trouble in this world. If all the world would receive Christ. there would then follow a universal peace, but while there are and will be so many that reject him (and those not only "the children of this world", but "the seed of the serpent" ), the children of God, that are called out of the world must expect to feel the fruits of their enmity.

    Look not for peace, but a sword, Christ came to give the sword of the word, with which his disciples fight against the world, and conquering work this sword has made (Rev. 6:4; 19:21),

    and "the sword of persecution", with which the world fights against the disciples, being cut to the heart with the sword of the word (Acts 7:54) and tormented by the testimony of Christ’s witnesses (Rev. 11:10) and cruel work this sword made. Christ sent that gospel, which gives occasion for the drawing of this sword, and so may be said to send this sword; he orders his church into a suffering state for the trial and praise of his people’s graces, and the filling up of the measure of their enemies’ sins.

    Look not for peace, but division; I am come to set men at variance. This effect of the preaching of the gospel is not the fault of the gospel, but of those who do not receive it. When some believe the things that are spoken, and others believe them not, the faith of those that believe condemns those that believe not, and so, they have enmity against them that believe.

    the most violent and implacable feuds have ever been those that have arisen from difference in religion; no enmity like that of the persecutors, no resolution like that of the persecuted. Thus Christ tells his disciples what they should suffer and these were hard sayings. if they could bear these, they could bear any thing.

    "a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household."

    They are here told from whom, and by whom, they should suffer these hard things.

  • stocwach
    stocwach

    correction: meant to say "Matthew's prophecy 'FULFILLMENT ATTEMPT' is 100% accurate"

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    Did Jesus actively try to separate family members? I think not. But He, Himself, and His message were a source of separation. If you aren't for Him, then you are against Him. In that respect, I would think, that it is those who reject Him who willingly separate themselves, rather than the other way around.

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