Issue of Universal Sovereignty makes no sense since God wants man to rule himself

by yadda yadda 2 4 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  yadda yadda 2

  (cannot get the italics to turn off for some goddam reason).

  Who is going to rule over mankind during the millennial reign? Jesus + 144,000 humans.

  And in Revelation 21 it describes Kings of the nations, who must be earthly human rulers. So God has always purposed that humans effectively rule themselves, right?

  Any parent naturally expects their child to grow up and leave home and manage their own life and family and household. Why wouldn't God, portrayed as our spiritual father, not want the same for the human race?

  Once the human race is brought back to perfection, why wouldn't God want us to govern ourselves independently without God having to be some kind of autocrat or King?

  Isn't the desire for autonomous, self-rule completely natural, as natural as the desire of a child to leave its parents and rule its own life, within reasonable limits and in accordance with the law?

  Why wouldn't God be better of stepping back and just acting like some kind of universal policeman instead of an autocrat, confining his role to assigning angels to punishing those who cause evil and suffering, as any normal human society does to preserve law and order and maintain normal civil society? We know from the Bible that God was obsessed with giving laws in the OT and punishing transgression so why do that for only ancient Israel and not all the world? What is more natural than to set certain limits on individual free will in the form of sensible laws? This is why the free will argument totally fails. Humans are only asking God to do what any conscionable person would do and what any normal, healthy society does = set some limits of personal freedom to prevent evil and suffering, and punish the evildoer.

  From all this it seems that if there is a God and there is some issue of universal sovereignty going on then it appears it is not about whether humans can govern themselves independently of God or not but a question of when they could do this successfully independently of God. It seems that eventually God must have fully intended humans to manage themselves without his having to 'govern' them but it was a question of timing?

  (apologies for the rather incoherent ideas quickly cobbled together here, its late and I've had some wines. Good night)
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  Vidiot

  Assuming the Biblical account is grounded in some actual history, I suspect the OT Hebrews would have been well on their way towards full-on democracy (remember the Judges?) if they hadn't implemented a monarchy to "fit in" better with the surrounding nations.
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  WTWizard

  There is a reason why Jehovah wanted to rule us in the first place. He is nothing more than a parasite, and so is the organization of witlesses that points this out. Satan, on the other hand, has his own life independent on what we do, and in fact wants us to rule ourselves and empower ourselves. Which would take away from Jehovah, as he cannot function without causing someone and everyone to suffer.
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  yadda yadda 2

  WTWizard, are you so bitter and twisted by your JW experience that you are a Satanist?
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  frankiespeakin

  It only makes sense when you have been thoroughly brained washed into beleiveing thier really is a universal issue of Sovereignty that needs to be settled.

  Once your in that mode of thinking then thing become black and white and the only way to stop the thought loop that comes out of such reasoning is to have the good or bad side win. And then you need to side with the good to avoid perishing. The whole thing smells like a thought virus.

  Another way to get out of a thought loop is to see it and realize this Sovereignty thing is just an illusion brought to us by a delusional buch of old men called the Governing Body who dreamed this issue up based on thier understanding of a jealous God who has to have his day in court.