Truth is not Always what it Seems

by ThiChi 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    As we have learned by our JW experience, “truth” and “facts” are not always what they seem.......

    Gun Control Science Misfires Friday, April 13, 2001
    By Steven Milloy

    Gun control advocates used to claim that more guns meant more crime. Research demonstrated, though, that more guns meant less crime. As the criminology argument faded, gun control advocates began arguing guns were a public health problem.

    But the public health argument is also bankrupt, according to Miguel A. Faria Jr., M.D., editor of the Medical Sentinel, the journal of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Dr. Faria lays out his reasoning in the Spring 2001 issue.

    The U.S. public health establishment declared in 1979 that handguns should be eradicated, beginning with a 25 percent reduction by the year 2000. Since that time, hundreds of ““scientific”” articles have been published in medical journals supporting the notion that guns are a public health problem.

    Faria’’s article spotlights many of the flaws of this research, including that of Dr. Arthur Kellerman of the Emory University School of Public Health. Since the mid-1980s, Dr. Kellerman used funding from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to publish research purporting to show that persons who keep guns in the home are more likely to be victims of homicide than those who don’’t.

    Dr. Kellerman claimed in a 1986 New England Journal of Medicine study that having a firearm in the home is counter-productive. He reported ““a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder.””

    Dr. Faria points out that Dr. Kellerman’’s analysis ignored the vast majority of benefits from defensive uses of guns. Since only 0.1 percent to 0.2 percent of defensive uses of guns involve the death of the criminal, Dr. Kellerman’’s study underestimated the protective benefits of firearms —— in terms of lives saved, injuries prevented and related medical costs —— by a factor of as much as 1,000.

    In a 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study, Dr. Kellerman again reported guns in the home are a greater risk to the victims than the assailants. In addition to repeating the errors of his prior research, Dr. Kellerman used studies of populations with disproportionately high rates of serious psychosocial dysfunction such as a history of arrest, drug abuse and domestic violence. Moreover, 71 percent of the victims were killed by assailants who didn’’t live in the victims’’ household, using guns presumably not kept in the home.

    Dr. Kellerman’’s conclusions depend on an apparent higher rate of homicides among households with guns compared to households without guns (45 percent vs. 36 percent). But Dr. Kellerman ignored his own data indicating there were enough false denials of gun ownership to reverse this result.

    Controversy has also swirled around Dr. Kellerman’’s claim that gun availability increases the risk of suicide. Dr. Faria says ““the overwhelming available evidence compiled from the psychiatric literature is that untreated or poorly managed depression is the real culprit behind high rates of suicide.””

    Backing this up is the observation that countries with strict gun control laws and low rates of firearm availability —— such as Japan, Germany and the Scandinavian countries —— have suicide rates that are 2 time to 3 times higher than for the U.S. In these countries, people simply substitute for guns other suicide methods such as Hara-Kiri, carbon monoxide suffocation, hanging, or chemical poisoning.

    Dr. Faria also cites the work of Florida State University professor Gary Kleck and Yale University professor John R. Lott Jr. as serious challenges to gun control advocates’’ claim that guns are a public health problem.

    In his books Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America and Targeting Guns, Kleck reports that firearms are used defensively 2.5 millions times per year, dwarfing offensive uses by criminals. Kleck says that 25 to 75 lives are saved by guns for every life lost by a gun. The medical costs saved by the defensive use of guns are 15 times greater than the costs caused by criminal use of firearms, according to Kleck.

    Lott reports in his book, More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws that neither state waiting periods nor the Brady Law are associated with a reduction in crime rates. However, laws that permit the carrying of concealed weapons are associated with a 69 percent decrease in death rate from public, multiple shootings such as those that occurred in Jonesboro, Arkansas and Columbine High School.

    Some concerned with gun violence in society have, in desperation, signed on to the gun control agenda. They are willing to trade basic American rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment for less violence. But it’’s not a fair trade.

    The myth-busting work of Dr. Faria and others exposes gun control not only as being unlikely to reduce violence but also as having adverse safety and economic consequences. Junk science-fueled gun control misfires as a public health strategy.

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    How many nuclear wars would there be if there were no nuclear bombs? Same thing with guns! Only problem with the analogy, not too many of us need nukes to go hunting for an elk! On the other hand, maybe irradiated meat wouldn't need to be kept frozen...

    cheers,

    carmel

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    The issue is not nuclear weapons, but the "junk science" that is used to further specific agendas. In a perfect world, I would agree with you. However, crime and wars will always be with us for the foreseeable future. Self defense is a right.

  • 144thousand_and_one
    144thousand_and_one

    Thichi,

    It might not be causal in nature, but it is certainly true that statistics indicate a far lesser gun-crime rate in countries where handguns are either not legal for possession by the general public or are severely restricted.

    Notwithstanding that fact or Constitutional issues, it's too late in the US for a gun-ban to have any effect on crime. Eliminating the right to have guns will result in criminals being the only ones who have guns other than the cops. This might have the effect of making criminals bolder and result in an increase in crime.

    Reasonable restrictions on guns are necessary. Too many times, wackos are getting their hands on weapons. Waiting periods, etc., are the reasonable approach to dealing with this. But these restrictions must not be so broad as to infringe upon the right of the people to "keep and bear arms" as guaranteed by the Constitution.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    Greetings 144,001:

    I agree mostly with your viewpoints. However, the tide is changing in other countries that have a complete ban on guns too:

    “”With its burgeoning crime rate London has surpassed the crime rate of New York City. During this same 5-year period, New York City’s crime rate dripped while London’s rose – in London crime pays. With fewer cops per 100,000 inhabitants than New York, those famous London Bobbies only solve one out of every five crimes while robberies in which criminals use violence or threaten violence have gone up by 35 percent in the past year. As for muggings Londoners are 25 percent more likely to be mugged than New Yorkers.

    Although the police acknowledge that they are helpless in "drying up" the flow of illegal arms, the government handgun ban has disenfranchised British athletes who participate in competitive handgun shooting disciplines. After the handgun ban was passed British handgun competitors, who wished to continue their sport, were forced to send their expensive equipment abroad.

    Muggers, robbers, drug addicts, and gang members carry firearms with impunity, while British pistol shooters are forced to travel great distances to train for such events as the Olympics and the Commonwealth Games. It’s ironic that when the Commonwealth Games open at Bisley this summer, the Queen will welcome all the competitors including the pistol shooters; but when it’s time to go home, the only ones who will not be able to take their equipment home with them will be those athletes that live closest to Bisley.

    The politicians and the gun banners won’t acknowledge that banning guns doesn’t stop criminals from misusing guns. So when their ban doesn’t work, they lobby for more of the same impotent solution. Tony Blair’s government is now calling for a ban on replica firearms, gun shaped cigarette lighters, and air pistols. When will they learn that the only people who will obey are law-abiding citizens, who don’t misuse real firearms, let alone replicas, air pistols, or cigarette lighters?”“

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    Using homicide and suicide data from a larger sample of countries, (International Journal of Epidemiology 1998:27:216), Kleck found "no significant (at the 5% level) association between gun ownership levels and the total homicide rate in the largest sample of nations available to study this topic. (Associations with the total suicide rate were even weaker.)"

    This article by Rutgers University professor Dr. Goertzel offers sound advice regarding statistical analysis: "When presented with an econometric model, consumers should insist on evidence that it can predict trends in data other than the data used to create it. Models that fail this test are junk science, no matter how complex the analysis."

    ""Reasonable restrictions on guns are necessary. Too many times, wackos are getting their hands on weapons. Waiting periods, etc., are the reasonable approach to dealing with this. But these restrictions must not be so broad as to infringe upon the right of the people to "keep and bear arms" as guaranteed by the Constitution.""

    Well stated and I agree!

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    Gun death" statistics are frequently cited, in the manner above, to strongly suggest that guns are the cause behind the high violent death rate in the U.S. As in the case of the Los Angeles Times article, no mention is made that over half of those violent deaths are suicides. The CNN article mentions gun homicides and gun suicides, but fails to show us the total violent death rate of other countries, not just gun deaths. For example, in Japan, where gun ownership is rare, its total suicide rate is higher than our total suicide rate.
    Combining gun suicide and homicide deaths creates a sensational comparison with other countries, but only clouds and distorts the many factors actually behind violent death rates. Looking at only gun deaths, it is easy to get the false impression that, because of guns, the United States is the most violent country on earth.

    Rather than being the "league leader" in violent death rates, as the sensational and misleading media reports suggest when focusing exclusively on guns, though the U.S. is still high, its violent death rate is not orders of magnitude higher than other countries. (See also international homicide comparisons.)

    The "gun death" statistic is seldom referenced within its proper perspective and context. Also rare is the article that mentions the number of lives saved through defensive gun use and that our homicide rate is at a thirty year low and still declining (FBI Uniform Crime Reports).

  • Perry
    Perry
    How many nuclear wars would there be if there were no nuclear bombs?

    Carmel, that is the exact same argument JW's use to avoid their responsibility to defend their countries against invasion. They reason:

    "If everyone in the world was a JW then there would be no war". Now, how likely is it that the entire world will submit to the governing body in Brooklyn? It is about the same liklihood of getting every person in the world agree to never build a nuclear bomb.

    ThiChi,

    Excellent points and thanks for all the quotes from various sources. Sometimes I wonder how much freedom would be left in America if we were totally disarmed.

    Those that fail to appreciate their freedom now just might wake up one day and wonder where all their freedom went.

    UADNA-TX
    Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America

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