What happens when an elder bullys witnesses, both young and old

by fulltimestudent 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Mental and physical intimidation (bullying) while young increases the probability of mental illness as an adult. That's the conclusion of a recent study.

    "Bullying may be more scarring than child maltreatment because while society recognizes child abuse as a serious problem, and supports its victims, people just don't see bullying the same way, Wolke said. "There're still people out there who think that bullying is a normal rite of passage — you go through and toughen up, etc.," he said.
    But bullying leaves people with poor self-esteem and a lasting sense of distrust of other people, he told Live Science. "Being socially excluded and being a social outcast is about the worst stress that we can experience, more than other pains."
    Although people are becoming more aware of how harmful bullying can be, efforts in the United .States. to tackle the problem are spotty, said William Copeland, an associate professor of psychiatry at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina, who helped conduct the study. "I think it's often the case that children that are bullied are not always supported in that, and told to deal with it themselves," Copeland said."

    Reference: http://www.livescience.com/50641-bullying-child-maltreatment-mental-health.html?

    Many elders within the J/witness organisation excuse their bullying tactics, with the excuse that they are being strong for Jehovah. Which may partly explain why so many young people are leaving the witness organisation.

  • stuckinarut2
    stuckinarut2

    yes. Very accurate.

    Bullying is justified as being "spiritual" and "strong for Jehovah" etc...

    As one wise poster says:

    "let's review, it is a CULT!"

  • sparrowdown
    sparrowdown

    You have hit on part of the problem with bullying. Many bullies don't see themselves as bullies, they view themselves as being "firm" or "stong."

    The congregation has a culture of passive aggressive bullying and is a haven for all kinds of bullies.

  • NewYork44M
    NewYork44M

    Bullying or another term - coercive power or control - is the basis of this religion. Your original question is what happens if?

    The answer is that the religion will not survive. They need coercive power to survive. The elders are bullies because they have been trained to be bullies. They have been trained to be bullies because this is a formula that works; it is a necessary strategy to sustain the religious empire.

  • brandnew
    brandnew
    Its a worldwide problem, thats why the wt always brings it up, along with nepotism. Damn elders think they are actually someone to be worshipped.....how wrong.
  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    So where does this leave Bible incidents such as that discussed in Galatians 5:12, where Paul wishes that those (probably from the Jerusalem congregation ) teaching the need for circumcision would castrate themselves. (self-mutilation, similar to the psychological problems seen in the practise of 'self-cutting,') yet here we find this claimed apostle acting like a bully

    International Standard Version
    I wish that those who are upsetting you would castrate themselves!

    Some think that the Greek sense of the verse, is that the teachers of circumcision should be cut off from the congregation, as in this explanation of the text,


    Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
    12. they … which trouble you—Translate, as the Greek is different from Ga 5:10, "they who are unsettling you." were even cut off—even as they desire your foreskin to be cut off and cast away by circumcision, so would that they were even cut off from your communion, being worthless as a castaway foreskin (Ga 1:7, 8; compare Php 3:2). The fathers, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine, and Chrysostom, explain it, "Would that they would even cut themselves off," that is, cut off not merely the foreskin, but the whole member: if circumcision be not enough for them, then let them have excision also; an outburst hardly suitable to the gravity of an apostle. But Ga 5:9, 10 plainly point to excommunication as the judgment threatened against the troublers: and danger of the bad "leaven" spreading, as the reason for it.

    reference: http://biblehub.com/galatians/5-12.htm

    But isn't that social exclusion as bad as self-mutilation? Perhaps its even worse. So the bullying attitude is evident right from the beginnings of Christianity.

  • PokerPlayerPhil
    PokerPlayerPhil

    They add firewood to doubters exit strategy and widen the door, they open up the minds and make it so appealing to leave. When one of the best people was kicked out of the Organization it made me question "why am I attending the Kingdom Halls when all I've seen is hateful conduct by those "older men" and "Men who are suppose to be fighting with us, not against us in the spirit-world war!" JWs Elders can be just as wicked as men from other churches, they have the same problems we do except they don't have mind control and "we are the truth" bullsht pouring out of their ministers mouths unless their a cult!

    To sum up your question easily, they help seeking, suffering and suffocated witnesses leave the Organization faster! Good Question!

  • zeb
    zeb

    Corporations and Government depts all over have put through anti bullying laws with varied success because it has been recognized that bullying has profoundly bad effects on the victim. But as the wts is only ever moved fwd in microns due to goad of lawsuits then 'heavy' tactics of any elders or any of the 'uber' class will not end.

    The best antidote as another has said here is to have a normal life.

    "Noli illegitimi carborundum" or dont let the bastards grind you down.

  • Esse quam videri
    Esse quam videri

    Give it back to these bullying elders in spades. Caleb's mother provided us with the best righteous 'beat down' of all.

    Mom: '.. you don't want to make Jehovah sad, do you?'

    Caleb: '.. No.'

    Mom: ' ..I don't want you to make Jehovah sad either...'

    Now back to your 'bully elder'.

    scene #1

    You: Brother Bully, I noticed you parked too close to the lines in the parking lot. Now someone will have to fight to get their car door open. That will make Jehovah sad. You don't want to make Jehovah sad, do you?

    Br. Bully: Hunh? No.

    You: I don't want you to make Jehovah sad either.

    scene #2

    You; Br. Bully, I noticed you didn't properly wipe you feet when you walked into the Kingdom Hall. Now someone will have to clean up after you and that will make Jehovah sad. You don't want to make Jehovah sad do you?

    Br. Bully: Hunh? No.

    You: I don't want you to make Jehovah sad either.

    scene #3

    You: Br. Bully, I noticed you didn't look up all the scriptures with the speaker during the public talk. You looked up 6 but missed 4 others. If you set a bad example to the congregation it will make Jehovah sad. You don't want to make Jehovah sad do you?

    Br. Bully: NO !!!!!!!

    You: I don't want you to make Jehovah sad either.

    You get the idea. Be creative, use your imagination, always looking for a lesson to teach Br. Bully.

    How can anyone argue with your logic? It wins every time. It's perfect WT speak. You are always the righteous one, always on Jehovah's side. Pick a bully and ride him. Drive him into the ground. Give him a good taste of his own medicine, but in a nice, theocratic way.

  • _Morpheus
    _Morpheus
    edited. Not worth it

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