i really am trying to get work done but can't stop thinking about this stuff. anyway, remember Job? remember what god said to satan about job? he said just don't kill him right? well here is the thing, if the ENTIRE POINT of letting all this wickedness befall this man, was to see if he would be faithful to god or not, if both god and satan both agreed to these terms, THEN WHY THE NEED TO TELL SATAN:"JUST DON'T KILL HIM" ? ok you can test my servant job to see if he is faithful, but please don't kill him....hmmmm mmmk. that would probably not make sense if the whole point of letting him be attacked was to see if he would remain faithful? killing him would serve neither god nor satan's purposes, yet it was necessary to say it?.....using brain = bad!!!!!
Reasoning check anyone?
by cptkirk 8 Replies latest jw experiences
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cptkirk
which is further made interesting by something that was said at a circuit assembly right before i left like 2-3 years ago....not sure if this was a talk that was going around the entire usa or was something specific to this region, but the circuit overseer said from the podium that "satan doesn't want you dead". and as i said on an earlier post, an older "sister" loved to rub that one in my face. because i almost died from something that happened a few years back and she knew about it, so that was her way of telling me passive aggressively to go fuck myself.
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Bob_NC
I am with you Capt. Something doesn't make logical sense in this story. Like it would turn out this way.......Jehovah speaking after the test. "Sorry Satan, but you lose. You done and killed him, so how do either of us know if Job would be faithful in ALL things? But he was faithful till you killed him, so I win by dafault" Satan, "Oh drats!! I didn't think of that." And Satan slinks off in defeat never to be heard from again.
Somehow it takes a thousand years of human suffering and death to "prove the point" that man cannot direct his steps without Jehovah. No wait! It takes 2 thousand, no 3 thousand, no 4 thousand, no 5 thousand, no 6 thousand years of human misery. And yet, the great court case in heaven has not be decided. So on we go.
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cptkirk
Haha yes thank you, you summed that up in the same way that I was thinking about it. here we have the 2 greatest entitites in the cosmos and the fate of billions of innocent men women and children in the balance....but this was the precision with which the war is conducted? yes i win again satan teehee you killed him, maybe next time. ohh yes here is my faithful servant daniel, ok this time satan please don't kill him again i mean gosh....btw daniel was the "head of the magic practicing priests" that is another gem to figure out.
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jgnat
I just finished reading Karen Armstrong's book on Genesis. What strikes me is the blessings bestowed on Job. Like Abraham it's counted as wealth; wealth of sons, cattle, and gold. Apparently, sons were replaceable, but his acid-tongued wife was not.
Not exactly how we view blessings today, is it?
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cptkirk
Well, lemme tell you something scary jgnat, it isn't, but guess who does see blessings in that light (in our time)? yea, those insane jihadists melting women's faces with real literal acid and blowing up babies.
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jgnat
We've got the prosperity theology here in North America, too.
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Lore
And if Jehovah can ressurect people, why did it matter if Satan killed him?
But I agree with you. Satan would have no motivation to kill Job.
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prologos
many people that were killed, were eliminated because they had better arguments, annoyed the powers to be, and would not stop. not the case with Job. or were married to trophy wifes and were targeted to go in order to open the way: Abraham, nabal, Uriah ---
as said, most people would give anything to protect their lives, or the safety of loved ones.
Job lost everything so he would have nothing left to give.
But he could and should have blamed God, and he did not, even though he knew nothing of our new invention,
Universal Sovereingnty.
The tribes that concocted these fables lived before the greek philosophers, their story tellers had ideas strange to our mindset, and that is why the talking snakes, cloned females, fruit tree tales, Abel the Vegetarian's "sacrifices" of meat etc do not, and can not make sense to us, and serve mainly to weed out the credulous.
partial darkness like in the modern game