by punkofnice 8 Replies latest watchtower bible
I don't have all the refs in front of me here but I know there are some passages in the Bible that are in question as if no one is sure if they should be there.
EG: John 8:7 etc.
I'm sure there are apologist answers to this. God was supposed to be preserving his Holy word for us isn't he?
As I see it it just shows that god must be very weak and doing a bad job at this.............and a poor communicator.......?
Whattayathink?
whats the issue with john 8:7,i know the wt has a prob with 1john 5:7
Punky, I'm sorry but I am NOT an apologist!!!
Ravens...perhaps it is 5:7. I am doing this from memory LOL (I am just imperfect men doing my best )
Rip....I apologise
Matthew 28:19 appears to be very questionable when examined alongside other Scriptures and a 2nd-3rd century writer's words.
Several sites such as this one, http://www.tektonics.org/lp/matt2819.html give a good case to support the claim that the Scripture (as presented) is a fiction, just as 1 John 5:7 is.
searcher - Thanks. I'll check this later.
Whattayathink?
I'm not sure what you are asking.
If you are stating that God did a bad job preserving the bible, if there have been additions... then I would ask why you think He was preserving the bible to begin with?
He communicates via the spirit... the tool one needs is not paper and pen; but rather faith and 'ears to hear'.
Peace,
tammy
Matthew 28:19 appears to be very questionable when examined alongside other Scriptures and a 2nd-3rd century writer's words.
Several sites such as this one, http://www.tektonics.org/lp/matt2819.html give a good case to support the claim that the Scripture (as presented) is a fiction, just as 1 John 5:7 is.
NOt sure what you mean here since that site states:
The Epistle of Ignatius to the Philippians, in Chapter 2 (see here) says, Wherefore also the Lord, when He sent forth the apostles to make disciples of all nations, commanded them to "baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost....".
Tertullian, c. 200 AD (see here writes in On Baptism, Chapter XIII: "For the law of baptizing has been imposed, and the formula prescribed: "Go," He saith, "teach the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." and in Against Praxeas, chapter 2 says, "After His resurrection ..He commands them to baptize into the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost".
Hippolytus (170-236 AD says in Fragments: Part II.-Dogmatical and Historical.--Against the Heresy of One Noetus, "gave this charge to the disciples after He rose from the dead: Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
Cyprian (200-258AD) in The Seventh Council of Carthage Under Cyprian says, And again, after His resurrection, sending His apostles, He gave them charge, saying, "All power is given unto me, in heaven and in earth. Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." and alludes to the same passage in other places as well.
Gregory Thaumaturgus (205-265 AD) in A Sectional Confession of Faith, XIII (see here says, "....the Lord sends forth His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit?"
1john5:7 was not an additon to 1John.
5 Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
You are thinking of the "comma johanneum", the adition or interpreation that was placed in some bibles that reads:
in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 5:8 And there are three that testify on earth
Here is some info on it:
