by Scott77 4 Replies latest social current
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I think, this troubling and uncalled for. But how about straight couples? I know very well that some straight families are dyfuctional and as a result, has had their children placed into foster care sytem. What do you think about this?
Scott77
Children have a natural RIGHT to have a female mother and male father and gay couples adopting babies is very wrong in my view, although I'm not opposed to gay marriage per se.
I strongly disagree with little children being exposed to seeing one or both parents showing gay affection to each other. Research shows that such children have a greater chance of being gay themselves. That is not fair. And if they gay couple separate, the child is faced with the prospect of seeing a host of new gay sexual partners coming and going, and it is a fact that the gay lifestyle is more promiscuous and unstable than heterosexual.
Its libertarian politicans messing around where they shouldn't be. Its like adulterers demanding that they have a 'right' to cheat on their wives and what that put into law. The law should stay out of some things, and gay couples so-called 'right' to adopt children is one of those things.
Yadda
Research shows that such children have a greater chance of being gay themselves.
I would love to see this research! Please give your sources.
You sound somewhat homophobic and ill informed!
Thanks for the big old bucket of anti-gay stereotypes, YY2. I like your well reasoned arguments.
Now when we analyse what you say, how much of your rant is your own homophobic opinion as opposed to well thought out reasoning backed up by research?
Your frothy display of ignorant nonsense just serves to publicly demonstrate that you are nothing more than a narrow-minded bigot.
In France a very interesting situation is arising where some homosexuals are indeed protesting against the introduction of same-sex marriage (there are others who are protesting for it).
These homosexuals can't accept the proposed law to introduce same-sex marriage, because they had a mom and dad like everyone else. They want it to be that way for all kids unless very adverse circumstances determine otherwise.
There is an interesting interview on YouTube where an atheist gay activist by the name of Xavier Bongibault shares his protest against same-sex marriage.
The link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QHvxMVW6AE4
As the interview is in French, the translation of what he is saying is as follows:
Good day, Xavier Bongibault.
Good day.
Q. Thank you for joining us. So let's get right to it: Do you think life will be gayer without marriage for homosexuals?
A. For homosexuals, I can't say. I think so. There is not a majority of homosexuals who want to be vindicated by marriage. The majority of homosexuals mock the minority who are pushing this law.
Q. Alright, please explain to us, being homosexual yourself, why you find it necessary to criticize the government's role in calling the homosexual marriage law "marriage for all"?
A. Marriage for all exists already in France. We speak of equality before the law. That's equality between individuals, not equality between groups. There is equality in the sense that anyone can get in a male-female couple. There is not equality between couples, but there is equality for individuals.
Q. Let's not get caught in the weeds here. There is the matter of PACS; we might be getting ahead of ourselves. Let's focus -- what bothers you about the bill before us now?
A. What bugs me is the destructuring and dismantling of society. The first echelon of society is the familial echelon. That's where society is built. A child needs to evolve within a familial balance. This bill would suppress that need. A child has a right to a mother and a father. The structuring of society is placed in a bad way.
Q. One must speak of adoption momentarily. Let me stay on the topic of marriage for now. There are some Catholic nations like Spain, Portugal, and the Netherlands, which had extended marriage to homosexuals. These aren't decadent nations. Their society hasn't been overturned. Well, life is as good in those places as it is here.
A. You want to speak of adoption later, but wait. There are some specifics here. France is one of the only places in the world that links childrearing legally to marriage. In France, marriage is not designed to protect the love between two people. French marriage is specifically designed to provide children with families. So when we speak of the text of the civil code [of 1793], it says that marriage is based on children and families.
Q. Is the religious aspect important to you? Is this really a struggle over religious convictions for you?
A. Absolutely not. I am atheist. But all religions have their place. This weekend I spent time with Monsignor 23 and I think religions have an enduring place in society, they are part of society. There are those who say that believers do not have the right to speak out, based on their religious convictions, because somehow that's backward. This may shock you, that I'm atheist but fighting for representations of religions, because yes, they have their place in the debate.
Q. Atheist? You are using the same argument as Monsignor 23.
A. Naturally, Friday morning I had the chance to meet with Monsigner Barbaran and there was no problem. I defended him on the subject of the one we were talking about before--I agreed with him totally. I think we have to collaborate with everyone opposed to this law. It's important.
Q. I have to pose this question to you: Do you militate for homosexuals, as much as you do for UMP (the conservative Sarkozy party)?
A. Militate, insofar as, here I am a homosexual and it's scandalous -- how could you think that? I militate in this way: The LGBT Associations I found deeply homophobic; here's why -- The idea that a homosexual must be for homosexual marriage because he's homosexual, this ideology is an ideology forming a straight line from a well known German who wrote in 1963, that a homosexual cannot reflect politically, except through sexual instinct.
Q. Okay, so let's get to adoption. Is it the format for the child that worries you?
A. Yes, I have seen a study, a very serious one -- the most serious study done so far. It was done by Mark Regnerus, a sociologist. He studied the effects of homosexuality at the University of Texas. It demonstrates quite clearly that a child has trouble being raised by gay parents.
Q. I must interject here. Everyone has their own specialists with contradictory findings. That doesn't measure things in a final way yet. People speak about the balance of the child, I have something even further to ask. Are you afraid of sexual abuse?
A. In no way do I have that type of fear, trust me.
Q. You hear this: There ought not to be gay marriage in France, because there's imbalance in gay marriages, and then there's sexual abuse.
A. No, no, no. I have no homophobic logic like that. I don't know if you are trying to get me into a fight here...
Q. So are you opposed to contraception, abortion, or divorce?
A. Divorce, no. Absolutely not. You cannot force a child to live in a deteriorating family situation.
Q. Okay, well, with the text going up to the minister, do you have anything else planned?
A. Yes, we have the mobilization on November 17. We're calling it the Manif For All, and the head spokespeople are me, Frigide Barjot, and Laurence Tcheng of the Left.
Interviewer: Thank you Xavier, you will be able to see this on video.... I see you are wearing a sweatshirt with a mom, a dad, and two kids. How nice. We think you've made your message quite clear.
Welsh secretary criticised for speaking against gay couples raising children