JW Bombshell Seeds

by snare&racket 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    Though it is true that one conversation or one JW bombshell will unlikely rock a member from the cult, we are all here as a result of leaving or realising the lies we were fed, doubtless all the bombshells we heard or considered contributed to us leaving.

    There seems to be a lot of apathy here at the moment that facts and information are not enough to convince a JW of the lies in Watchtower.

    This is not true. Even if one missile does not bring down the wall, it contributes to its fall.

    Information empowers people, it is the most valuble asset in the war on cults. It may not sink the boat immediatly, but we know it springs leaks.

    The WT are not stupid, they refer to doubts as seeds in the mind that grow. This is how it indeed begins when you leave their lies. We cant prevent it feeling like that, but nonetheless we can plant these seeds and should.... We are not evil for doing it or wrong, neither is it a waste of time. In North Korea people are killed for such work, dictatorship depends on a lack of information. We have the freedom to seek and find that information and we should spread it amongst current JW's vigourously. This will be the downfall of WT..... information.

    The responsibility belongs to those fortunate enough to free from its clasp. Plant away.....

    I find it dissapointing to be on a forum of ex Jw's and to hear some grumble about the worth of planting seeds in current JW's. We are talking about the lives of people, children, whole families. It is worth it. It may be a slow process that yields results in years not minutes... but it still yields.

    Snare

    Some are here because they were DF'd or DA'd and through action forced out of a cult, a painful and sobering bit of luck. But some of us are here because of seeds, because of little questions, doubts etc.... yes we were brainwashed, yes we gave the JW reply to those doubts.. but deep inside we consdiered it a lot. I left due to this process.... it works.

  • zed is dead
    zed is dead

    "All in all, it's just another brick in the wall." Keep chipping away.

    zed

  • Amelia Ashton
    Amelia Ashton

    I agree that little seeds of doubt can be put on the back burner, sometimes for years.

    It may not even be that seed that initiates the doubts but once any doubt is entertained others can be re-visited which ignites more curiosity and research that will inevitable lead to discoveries of the lies, disingenuousness and duplicity of WTBT$.

  • Newly Enlightened
    Newly Enlightened

    I know what you mean. My Hubby just did a post on another topic of something very simple to bring a JW to the point of thinking about something and quite a few were trying to disprove/dissolve it. It was very discouraging that they would rather be negative and say hey that's not gonna work instead of even trying to see the simplicity and logic of it. Here's his post if you want to see what I mean...

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/249326/1/The-perplexing-conundrum-607-b-c-e-condensed-down-to-ONE-SIMPLE-FACT

    We've been in this org. for 40+ years and we've dealt with this same BS from elders, CO's, & DO's we've had some experience in dealing with the JW mentality.

    But you're right. Plant small seeds and TRY!!!

  • extractor
    extractor

    Agreed. What difference does one straw make? ... ask the camel who's going in for back surgery.

  • *lost*
    *lost*

    agreed ..... we were coaxed in .... have to be coaxed out.

    Because you are PROGRAMMED to only think happy positive thoughts.... ALL THE TIME. They pound you down with fear and guilt, using God to do it, God the Father and Jesus the son, as these are the two things you have rock solid faith in. ANY negative thoughts, questions are SATAN'S SNARES, don't give him a chance to get near you and pick you off, STAY INSIDE the flock, where you are safe.

    Fear and Guilt, you feel like a naughty child, always being watched.

    You wouldn't have feelings of fear or guilt if you were brought up in a loving secure normal household as a child. But you would if your father was a tyrant and a bully and your mother neglected you.

    But it is programmed in to have this fear of a loving heavenly father? can't be right. If you are seeing it from the point of view of a loving parent.

    Sometimes there is just a little something that just doesn't sit right, or you can't get your head around, or question. like something scratching away in your brain.

    There is so much psychology involved and the ordinary everday person who just doesn't realise it.

    HOW will we know if no one ever teaches us ? we remain ignorant.

    Now I KNOW why the org. FEARS the internet. All the information is out there. The truth is out there if we search for it.

    But when your standing on the edge of the cliff, holding on to your safety rope, it's hard to let go.

    Just my thoughts, I'm a newbiee. Literally, about a week ago I just starting thinking stuff and I dunno, it happened. You know you get the feeling something just aint right but you can't put your finger on it.

    I'm not apostate. I'm searching for truth, education on the facts and answers. I'm grateful you guys are all hear. Cos I would still be in the dark. Now I am realising and learning and finding out things that had I known back in the 80's I never would've let them in my head. Better to have remained ignorant than to be enslaved to a lie. I'm hugely confused about a lot of things at the moment, a lot of conflicting emotions. This place is like therapy. We know how scary it is and we need to be compassionate, kind and helpful.

    I do hope many others will be drawn here and will learn what it's really about.

    JW's talk about saving lives, all the time, only if they convert though.

    I agree with you we are talking about lives. I mean actually think about the huge numbers of people out there.

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    Do t fear the word apostacy, it is a word they have given there own meaning to.... Opposers of watchtower. I'll wear that badge every day of the week. They lie, cheat and steal, they cover abuse and illegal activity. They call the world evil and thrive from its charitable status and indulge in the worlds financial markets. They are a leech on intelligence, life years and people's good will.

    There is nothing good in it, but there is plenty of good people in it, for that reason we can't just walk away. We have to d a lots wife, turn our heads back and throw some seeds. Without the good fortune of our newly informed position we would not be here, lets throw some knowledge their way.

  • jeremiah18:5-10
    jeremiah18:5-10

    Many years ago in the mid-90's as a regular pioneer and ms, I studied with a college student that was majoring in philosophy and a minor in the world's religions (or something like that). His thesis was on the history of the beliefs of jws. I foolishly thought that even if not sincere in his efforts, I could help him see the "truth". Only after leaving have I come to appreciate the impact this guy had on me and teaching me critical thinking skills. One occasion in particular stands out as an epiphany. I had the P.O's son, a regular pioneer also, on the study with me. This brother read a quote regarding the trinity, a major topic of our discussions, directly from the reasoning book as if it were the final authority. I remember himm saying, "see it says it right there, what else do you need?". I was so embarrassed by that, because by that time I realized that this student wouldn't just accept what WT said as fact, something all of us did accept. I was very uncomfortable and so embarrassed as I watched the student just smile and shake his head. I look back on that day now as the first crack in the facade. It changed my entire approach to my ministry and my talks. I never again relied on statements from WT as proof. It seriously affected my confidence in teaching and I never felt very comfortable dealing with topics like the trinity again.

    Its funny how lost I felt as the student refused to study from a publication. We had to just use the bible. I'm so thankful now for the things he taught me, that frankly I hardly realized and certainly didn't appreciate at the time. I was 100% defeated by him.

    So planting seeds of doubt are effective but may take time to mature. It took me 20 years.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    I think if you have the chance then it is almost immoral not to plant seeds. Cognitive Dissonance builds over time, until the person feeling it can bear it no more.

    Just two simple statements nearly tipped me over the edge, one was my son who said "Jehovah/yahweh is only a made up god of desert people" and I realised I could not disprove that as fact.

    Another was when we had a very intelligent university student come to some Meetings and look at some literature, when asked by an Elder why he ceased coming along, he replied: "Because it is all so very silly!" , I realised I couldn't disprove that as fact either.

    I then examined the 1914 doctrine , and I was gone. But I had a lifetime of Cognitive Dissonance building, until finaly I walked away in my late fifties.

    I thank whoever added to my C.D , so never stop planting seeds.

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