Emailed Elder Telling Him The Memorial Date Is Wrong

alecholmesthedetective

Right, so that was hours ago, so I'm waiting for the reply —I'll keep you posted.

The elders have been trying to invite me for the memorial, and the email in question basically said...

How have you been?

I´d like to remind you about the Memorial. It will be held tomorrow, Tuesday the 26th at 8:45 PM in our Kingdom Hall. Hope to see you with us remembering the most important day of this year.

I replied... Hi Brother Elder, 14 Nisan is on Monday 25 March beginning after sunset and ending on the sunset of 26 March. This is the Examining the Scriptures Daily page for today. And this is the correct Hebrew calendar: These are the references http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?country=34&mo http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=2013&month=x&yt=G&v=1&nh=on&nx=on&mf=on&ss=on&lg=s&vis=on&d=on&c=off&zip=&m=72&.cgifields=nx&.cgifields=nh&.cgifields=mf&.cgifields=ss&.s=Preview+Calendar#cal-2013-03 http://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/week.asp?tdate=3/25/2013 http://calendar.zoznam.sk/jewish_calendar-en.php#March http://www.aish.com/dijh/Nisan_14.html http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=passover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover#Date_and_duration President Obama held a passover celebration on the White House last night, 25 March. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576259/obama-holds-passover-seder-at-the-white-house/ http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/03/25/president-obamas-passover-message https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/316306825370812418 http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/03/25/statement-president-passover

Thanks, Alec Now, I have to say it was news to me that the Jews actually celebrate the Passover on 15 Nisan. What was surprising was that the WT is saying that today 26 March after sunset will be 14 Nisan. Are they trying to celebrate Passover in the same night as the Jews whilst trying to appear that they are celebrating it on 14 Nisan —the night they say Jesus instituted the Lord's Evening Meal, was betrayed, tried, and executed at 3pm of the next day but still on 14 Nisan? Well, I'll keep you guys posted. Alec

Captain Obvious

I'm sure you can expect your JC notice shortly.

Phizzy

The whole thing about the date of the Memorial is a huge subject, you will be fobbed off with the answer that the WT has worked out when Nisan14 would be according to how it was worked out in the first century, not how the jewish calendar has it today.

There has been endless debate about when it actually was that Jesus had his little ceremony with the Apostles, which night etc and going right back to when passover was and when the killing of the Pascal lambs took place etc etc

Suffice it to say that you are correct, whichever way you slice it, as usual, the WT has got it wrong.

The primary thing they have got wrong is the matter of who should partake, of course it should be all who follow Christ, secondly they have the date wrong, and thirdly ,it is my gut feeling, that Jesus was not instituting here an annual ritual ,but one for whenever the Christians were gathered together, "in remembrance of me" would mean to bring to mind all Jesus' treaching.

That is not something a Christian should do just once a year, but as often as possible.

punkofnice

As far as the elder will be concerned, you are wrong because the WBT$ MUST be right.

Sadly, it's you VS a big corporation.

The elder will believe the WBT$.

Enjoy your shepherding visit and the JC to follow.

carla

Don't they get it wrong every year? Every year there is a thread like this. Do r & f even care?

I asked my jw about it once long ago but he had no clue about the date/passover etc... no need to research, the boys in NY already did all the heavy lifting.........

DATA-DOG

I celebrated alone last night at around 9:30 pm central time. I figured after sundown Nissan 14 began. I checked Jerusalem's time zone and knew that I was still good. The WT observance is after 9:00 pm tonight! I really do not believe the exact timing is a salvation issue, or physically partaking. I mean, you should if you can, but what if you were in prison with no access to the emblems? I think you heart condition matters the most. Then partaking is an outward symbol of your faith, like baptism.

Also, I do not believe it is a once a year thing. There is no proof that Christians only celebrated once a year, although the WTBT$ makes that assertion.

alecholmesthedetective

Well, not a pip from the elder or anyone else after my email. Good. Well, you may well be right and they may be typing the JC summon letter now. Bring it on, I say. Perhaps I'll record the whole thing and add it to the numerous others already online, haha.

The elder will believe the WBT$.

Exactly punkofnice, I must have surprised him, nonetheless, given his silence.

I asked my jw about it once long ago but he had no clue about the date/passover etc... no need to research, the boys in NY already did all the heavy lifting.........

Yes carla, I know a lot of brothers, including elders, who had no clue what they were talking about and if you knew your Watchtower, meaning if you read a lot and remembered a lot of the BS the WT writes you could throw them off balance for their lack of research or unpreparedness...now, is that what Jesus meant with, "I want mercy, not sacrifice." (I don't believe in Jesus as a perfect superhuman son of God anymore, by the way)

The primary thing they have got wrong is the matter of who should partake, of course it should be all who follow Christ,

I agree Phizzy, if I were to follow the bible, a Christian religion, if I still believed it or were even still in as a JW (I'm a fader) I would partake, that is what Jesus clearly said his followers should do.

I figured after sundown Nissan 14 began. I checked Jerusalem's time zone and knew that I was still good.

Yes DATA-DOG! That's my point! LOL

I really do not believe the exact timing is a salvation issue, or physically partaking. I mean, you should if you can, but what if you were in prison with no access to the emblems? I think you heart condition matters the most. Then partaking is an outward symbol of your faith, like baptism.

Also, I do not believe it is a once a year thing. There is no proof that Christians only celebrated once a year, although the WTBT$ makes that assertion.

I agree DATA-DOG, even in my last years in I believed Jehovah and Jesus were much more merciful than the WT would have us believe, especially since I felt I was blessed when my standing in the congregation was in jeopardy because I didn't take BS from the elders. I believed Jehovah blessed me for doing what was right, not for pleasing men. So yes, if I were trying to please God, I believed he would understand my circumstances as you exemplify if I were in a prison cell and couldn't get emblems or something close to them. And I'm not sure I could 'prove' from the bible why it should be an annual observance. Mind you, in my last months in I couldn't prove a lot of WT doctrines from the bible!

Alec

alecholmesthedetective

So, three days after emailing the elder in reply to his email invitation for the memorial and not a pip from him. Just got an invite by email from members of the congregation about them going for pizza somewhere, but of course I have not replied. Seriously, what were they thinking.

Well, the last time I stepped on the Kingdom Hell was to have a man-to-man conversation with the CBOE in the spirit of Matthew 18:15-17. We had this conversation in the end of the meeting just there, publicly, at the back of the hall in plain sight of everyone. So the elders are not new to being challenged by me and they know I am not afraid of them. What was that scripture that says that 'trembling before men is what lays a snare'....

Alec

Emailed Elder Telling Him The Memorial Date Is Wrong

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