Amway and JW's

by apostate man 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • apostate man
    apostate man

    http://www.angelfire.com/or/amwaydreamers/index2.html

    I found it very interesting that Amway and JW's have so much in common. This is from an X-Amway site. I deleted the non-similar paragraphs. Could both Cults be run by the same people?

    1. You will be told that for a mere $150.00 investment, you can own a million dollar business. ( No one will mention opens, rallies, seminars, tapes, books, functions, shipping costs, handling charges, additional phone bills, buying business supplies, paying higher prices for household items, etc..)
    2. You will be told that people who have nothing good to say about Amway are just trying to steal your dream. That they don't want to see anyone else succeed. Or, if they have already had the Amway Experience, that it was their old upline, or that they belonged to the "Old Amway", that things are different now. What they experienced doesn't apply to you or your upline or even to the "New Improved Amway".

    3. You will be told that you must associate with "winners" to succeed. ( This will translate to mean not associating with family and friends who aren't in the ORGANIZATION.)

    4. You will be told that your children can walk the beaches with you when you succeed, but for now, you will need a lengthy list of sitters so you can have no excuse to miss a meeting, open, function, seminar, rally, product pick-up, etc...(Let someone else kiss the boo-boos and wipe their noses.)

    5. You will be told not to subject yourself to "negative influences", such as newspapers, television, radio, or people who aren't in Amway, unless they're prospects. There are also "negative" products to avoid. This makes you more open to the "positive" ideas of the organization and your upline. ( I think this is a standard rule in most cults.)

    6. You will be told that it's normal for couples to have "Amriffs". If your spouse is starting to act negative toward the business, set them straight, or ignore them.

    7. You will be told that the more you suffer, the bigger your business will be. The tapes say so over and over and over again, and you will be reminded of this at every function, meeting, rally and seminar, over Amvox, etc.. ( Prepare yourself, you will definately suffer, one way or another! )

    8. You will be told that the farther you drive to a meeting, the more successful you will be. The tapes will emphasize this over and over again. So what if you drive two hours one way to a house plan on a worknight, just to find out there are no prospects? You'll just do a nuts and bolts instead. Your business is going to be huge, just because you showed up! (Forget about the time away from your children and loss of sleep, because you are a winner, a leader, and an inspiration to all those downline beneath you! )

    9. You will be told that no matter how much money and time you have invested into books, tapes, opens, rallies, seminars, functions, opens and products, you cannot quit now because you haven't been in long enough to profit from it! No matter how long you have been at it!

    11. You will be told that doing the business only takes 10 - 15 hours per week. (Figure in showing the plan 3 -5 times per week, and add in driving time, product pick-up, time on the phone to track down orders, calling in orders, prospecting, and add in an open, seminar and rally that are all done from Friday through Saturday about once a month, or more. Plus, you still have to make time for that J.O.B. , and maybe schedule in your children every so often.)

    12. You will be told that unless you are on standing order, your business will not be taken seriously, therefore, not warrant your upline's help.

    13. You will be told to keep secrets about upline from your downline. (Such as their real financial situations. Leaders can't have followers knowing any negatives about them. Who follows someone who is worse off than themselves?)

    14. You will be told to attend all functions, no matter what else is going on in your life. Nothing matters more than a function!

    15. You will be told to never question anything your upline tells you. Even if the Amway literature says something different! (Still convinced this is a normal business?)

    16. You will be told again to never question anything your upline tells you, even if your common sense tells you what they're saying just can't possibly be right. The tapes will reaffirm this. They would have never succeeded if they hadn't followed upline and done exactly as they said. (Follow the leader, even if you're not sure what they're leading you into.)

    17. You will be told not to get detailitis. This questioning of authority could ruin your business! Even if you suspect you could be following upline that aren't exactly running their business within the confines of the law! ( Hush now, the FTC says we're not a pyramid! We have a TEN CUSTOMER A MONTH RULE!) (The rule has changed as of 1/97. Now you're SUPPOSED to have at least 10 separate retail customers or, 50 p.v. in retail sales to any number of customers.)

    18. You will be told to follow people who are where you want to be. (That's great if your following successful people who are telling the truth about how they got to where they are. And telling the truth about just HOW successful they are!)

    23. You will be told that if you don't do the business, you are risking your family's future. ( Don't you love your family and want the best for them?)

    25. You will be told by many couples in the business that the business "saved" their marriages.

    26. You will be told, if a woman, to blindly follow your husband, no matter what he does, so long as it benefits the business. Even if you believe it to be harmful to the family as a whole. (Does this fall into the "Saving the marraige" catagory?)

    27. You will be told, if a man, to keep your wife in tow. Don't let her wear the pants in the family! If she doesn't like what the business is doing to the family, ignore her! Do what you want anyway, she'll come around eventually! The tapes speak of these Amriffs often, and they are considered completely normal! If you make it to Diamond, you should have had many of these along the way!

    28. You will be told, if a woman, to smile at your husband and appear to be hanging on every word at his presentation of THE PLAN, and to act like you are hearing it for the first time, every time.
    (And remember, keep smiling, even if it hurts, keep smiling!)

    29. You will be told men, wear a suit. Preferably one from the catalog. (That way, all of the men will eventually own the same suits and eventually all look exactly alike, down to their socks.)

    30. You will be told, if a woman, to wear a dress. Again, preferably out of the catalog. (The business realizes how much women love to be wearing the same dress as ten other women in the same room! )

    The list goes on and on...

    Break the chains that bind you,
    unless, of course, you're into that sort of thing.
  • Will Power
    Will Power

    I can vouch for every one of these points.

    No wonder I relate to the cultish behaviour of the Watch Tower Society.

    Unike other MLM schemes that alot of jws get involved with to supplement their income (vitamins etc), AMWAY would be off limits. They have a large baptist atmosphere, host religious services (The words "God" & "Jesus" substituted for Amway) on the sunday mornings of their conventions - You come out of there all gung-ho.

    I imagine the "euphoria" would be the same at JW district assemblies.

  • home_and_dry
    home_and_dry

    In my ex-cong there was a married couple who did the Amway thing. They spent HOURS (over many days and weeks) trying to recruit my JW parents. They were supposedly good friends of my parents but when my parents finally decided against getting involved, the friendship took a bit of a nose dive...

    I don't know much about Amway personally but I did get involved with Kleeneze. (Don't know if it just a UK thing but it works on the same principle.)

    I found it very similar to the whole JW setup. The people who got me involved suddenly became my bestest buddies in the world. Nothing was too much trouble. My upline agent told me that even if it didn't work out for me and I didn't stick with it, we would still remain friends because we got on so well. Two months into it I quit. I had put so much money into it (not just the initial outlay that they are open about, lots of other little charges that they failed to mention when I signed up) and I just couldn't afford to keep going with it. Needless to say I never heard from my dear upline friend ever again...

    I saw her a couple of months later in a pub and she practically blanked me, it felt like being DF'd all over again! *shudders*!

    We all make a mess of our lives from time to time
    It's part of the process that you stumble as you climb

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    Think of all the people who only wasted some time & money with Amway, then think of all those who loose their spirit, their parents, husband, wife, children, grandchildren, friends, relatives, their ability to think for themselves, their childhood, their life.

    They are both peddling questionable products.

    AMWAY: You need 5 other products to go along with the laundry detergent to get a load clean.

    WT: You need a whole library to go with your bible to get their doctrines clean.

  • singsongboi
    singsongboi

    kekekeke...got tricked into listening to amway sales pitch one night....

    distinct symptons of allergy similar to watchtoweritis!!!

    someone now is trying to sell me into neway (vitamins) - i like the product, but not the pricing policies...... and same allergy symptons to the sales pitch!!!!!!

  • TheStar
    TheStar

    There's a comedian that jokes about Amway and Jws merging together. Unfortunately, I can't remember how the joke goes exactly, I saw his stand up a long time ago, even before I was a JW.... Don't even remember the comedians name.

    I never really thought about the similarities before but it's true. I have tried several MLMs and, ironically, didn't ever feel comfortable with any of them because of these tactics that they use, it always felt cultish to me... Yet, I got sucked in my the JWs. Amazing....

    BTW, Many MLMs are this way not just Amway, though I can vouch that Amway is one of the worst if not the worst. I had friends before I was a JW that would "witness" to me about Amway every chance they got, they even invited me to their home at times for no other reason than to try to get me to sign up. I remember how uncomfortable this would always make me feel... maybe that is why I never got the hang of the preaching work as a JW. I hated it, always felt like I was bothering and imposing on people.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    I sold Amway for about 3 months in 1976. I noticed many similarities between them and the JWs at that time. JWs have bouts of Amyway-ism from time to time in renewed efforts to make a lot of money with little work so they can PIONEER ... Hah ... never works that way. It is an idiots business. Some few make it. Amway has been required in recent years to provide a disclosure as to how long it takes from starting out to makeing $30,000 per year ... it takes at least 3 years. Nope, that is one 'business opportunity' that I never want to be part of again.

    Following Bible principles, we will avoid trying to live - or demand others to live - by an extensive and rigid set of dos and don'ts that go beyond the teachings of the Bible. The Watchtower, 4-15-02, pg 22, pp 15

  • Outaservice
    Outaservice

    Whenever I get a telemarketer call, I say, "I'm not buying any stock (or whatever they're selling) at this time, but If you have a few minutes, I would like to tell you about AMWAY!

    'Click' buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    Outaservice (Who thanks Amway daily for helping deal with telemarketers)

  • Beck_Melbourne
    Beck_Melbourne

    Just wondering if anyone makes any money out of Amway. I knew quite a lot of JW couples who were strong Amway advocates...they had this 'get rich quick' idea and their TRUE motive was so that they could be freed up to pioneer! <<LAUGH>>

    Beck

    ps...i never liked the dishwash solution...you never got bubbles...I HAVE to see bubbles...its just not right without the bubbles

  • detective
    detective

    This made me think of a friend who is involved in Market America (the "unfranchise"). I decided to see if any of the cult pages had info on Market America. I found an interesting article on Equinox, which is a multi-layer marketing scheme similar to Amway.

    The link to the article:
    http://www.freedomofmind.com/groups/equinox/mills.asp

    an excerpt:

    Other people say they've lost family members to Equinox. Charles*, an
    artist in Connecticut, says his 29-year-old sister Katie and her
    husband, Mike, joined Equinox more than two years ago. In a family of
    11 children, Charles says, "Katie was my closest sibling. We talked on the phone two or three times a day.We biked across the country together." Now, the two rarely talk.He says Katie has begun to tremble and shake during conversations about Equinox. Once, Charles broke down crying, telling her, "I feel like I've lost my sister." He claims she yelled at him and told him not to
    exaggerate.Charles has since contacted cult specialists for help.
    According to him, Katie and her husband are running from collection
    agencies, driving unregistered vehicles and throwing bills in the
    trash unopened (which the family found). After hitting everyone up
    for loans and credit cards, Katie abandoned her family almost
    completely. Charles believes she now owes more than $100,000. In her
    notes from one of the company's seminars, he found these scribbled
    words: "There are two kinds of friends: true friends and false
    friends. True friends support Equinox. False friends don't believe
    in Equinox."

    If anyone knows anything about Market america, let me know.

    And no, I'm not thinking of joining up!

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