How Many Anointed Have There Been?

by konceptual99 6 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • konceptual99
    konceptual99

    Has there ever been any research done to indicate how many individuals have claimed to be anointed since 33 C.E.?

    Basically, all the congregation from 33CE to (say) around 90CE was, then it dropped down to indiividuals until growth from 1870ish.

    The whole congregation of that period from late 19thC until 1935 was anointed and since then it has been dipping then growing.

    There must be an allowance for those that would not have been anointed through that period.

    Have any estimates been done? Is the pool of individuals in the first centuary and the modern day history so big as to completely blow the number of 144000 out of the window?

  • heathen
    heathen

    This comes up every once in awhile , my belief is that the LF are faithful servants that actually die by the world governments taking them prisoner and having them executed because they want control of religion or perhaps the refusal to obey man over Gods commandments , the bible does say for the bearing witness to jesus . Jesus said many are called yet few are chosen , so there is a test period of to which they must in the end die for their GOD . It's a death pact .

  • prologos
    prologos

    k 99: what do you mean by "anointed"? the WT BtS term refers to the remnant on earth of the ones destined to rule closely with Christ in heaven, and

    the answer of course is 144 000. and

    Heathen is right, to qualify you have to die executed by the Ax Rev. 20:4

    ( Mussolini's Faschists had as their party symbol a bundle of wood kindling wrapped around an AX) showing their roman- based power to execute opposers by beheading and/or burning.

    Hitler used the Guillotine, a mechanized ax.

    Wt is wrong saying you can die peacefully in bed as long as you are a partaker, you will rule next to Christ.

    All christians are anointed, that is what the name means.

    billions took communium (partook of the emblems) during the ages.

    the count is meaningless. It is less than 80 per year since pentecost 33. the rest of all christians would be the so called "earthly class" since they did not know the "Newest light" of the July 15 2013 Wt. (they did not have the truth)

    but the answer is:

    144 000. In chaper 7 it speaks of the SEALED ones. not anoied ones.

    unless the book of Revelation, like the talking snake, the cloned lady, vegetarion lions, the everest-covering flood, Jonah and Jaws, talking ass, self-starting pregnancies etc usw are all made up. then the answer is:

    its all the cheap italien meat product.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Just to show how rubbish the WT idea is, there must have been over 144,000 in the 1st Century alone.

  • perfect1
    perfect1

    If Jesus only died for 144,000- doesnt that seem kind of silly- I mean we are taught how much he suffered, if he really is the son of God wouldnt he come for EVERYONE- why would he be a snob and say: This only applies to 144000 of all 10 billion people there will ever be on earth. That doesnt make sense.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    There have been too many for the WTS comfort, that's for sure . I made these notes when I was first getting my questions about the "Truth" all together . I am not saying that it is complete or an authority - just my thoughts . -

    "The wording of Revelation 7 ; 4 is understood to refer to a literal 144000 who are anointed to serve in the heavens, in contrast to the great crowd of verse 9 which is without number. This is, I believe, the only number in the Revelation that is not a symbol of something else. These are identified as the “Little flock” of Jesus’ description.

    How many people are known to have received this calling ? There are no published statistics for the total of individual members in the twentieth/twentyfirst century.

    Interestingly, in 1925 there were 90,434 partakers of the emblems according to the Watchtower 1961,page 721. However that number may include casual visitors to the Memorial since it does seem out of proportion . I believe a more realistic figure would be the 52,465 who partook in 1935, out of 56000 odd publishers.

    There were 8570 who partook in year 2004. In the years between the 1870s and 1935 we do not have a figure for those who partook and died, and of course there are those who partook and died between 1935 and the present day.

    A realistic estimate of the total number of the remnant of the present day must be in the region of at least 70.000 plus the trickle of numbers that has “always been there during the last two thousand years”

    This leaves just 74,000 places that could be taken in the first century. The apostasy that followed the death of the apostles did not take over immediately , the Watchtower of 1989,15/11 spoke favourably of Polycarp who was martyred in 155 c.e..Therefore it would seem reasonable to allow for at least 100 years of genuine Christianity . They lacked the printing press but had the galvanising influence of the Holy Spirit and miraculous gifts. Is it reasonable to expect that they would expand at no lesser rate than the modern organisation? Please note the kick start of 3000 at Pentecost of 33 c.e. in one day , and a further 5000 soon after.

    We have no definite numbers but it is interesting to read the historian Tacitus who made the statement that an immense multitude (ingens multitudo) were put to death by Nero. If such a multitude were martyred,then how many would have made up the congregation of "Anointed ones?

    Interestingly, The Watchtower noted in Sept 1st 1951 p516/517 that,

    "Brief respite followed the death of Nero, but by the latter years of the first century the second great persecution, under Emperor Domitian, flared up. It is said that in the year 95 alone some 40,000 suffered martyrdom."

    40,000 in one year. How many does that suggest as martyrs over a 100 year period, let alone the full numbers remaining?

    By comparisom the modern organisation grew from it’s start in the 1870’s to 580,000 publishers within 80 years ,by 1950. That is more than seven times the amount required to provide the 74000 permissible number and that for a first century organisation that spanned at least from Babylon in the East to Spain in the West and included North Africa.

    The above figures may seem complicated but are enough to make one question whether a number of 144,000 would not have been completed long ago?"

  • heathen
    heathen

    It's not hard to find the part in revs where the souls of those slaughtered for the preaching work are crying out for vengeance under the alter in heaven and God tells them to rest until the last of their brothers dies by the axe , personally I am going to say that when the apostle John died was the cut off for the first century calling and then after the gentile times concluded it began again. There doesn't seem to be any inspired writing after johns revelation until it came time to interpret what he put down in the end times , Which a certain religion we all know of keeps playing little word games about being inspired or directed . Interpretation belongs to GOD, I seem to remember being spoken by daniel the prophet , therefor do not lean upon your own understanding ,,, so on and so forth ,, meaning the spirit of GOD is repsonisble for revealing the meaning .

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