Question on/for JW's

gravedancer

As we know the bible records stuff till the end of the first century.

Then we have the dark/middle ages....until 1870-something.

Hence comes Charles T. Russell. And the "ORGANIZATION" and "faithful and discreet Slave" is here.

OK thats the reality....

I grew up a JW. We were taught (when me being retard I am paid attention) this: "Who was the first Jehovah's Witness?"....."Answer: Abel".

OK....nice decoy. So Adam was the first. Then we have bible history (an oxy-moron) till 100 AD (or for the JW's 98 CE). Then.....NOTHING. In the first century God had an organization with a governing body according to the witnesses (ask them about Acts 15:29 regarding blood and they point to the governing body and the organization etc and try to use that as a "pattern" for today's fiasco).

So from 100 AD till 1870 something.......WHERE WAS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE AND THE GOVERNING BODY? Why the almost 2000 year gap? Was it foretold? Was it prophecied?

In all my years growing up as a JW I never really found an answer...2000 years of "darkness"....then Russell comes out of nowhere with his whacked out beliefs about pyramids and shit and we have found God again?

What the fuck did I miss?

patio34

Hi GraveDancer,
Here's what i would have said when still a JW. "The parable of the wheat and the weeds foretold that there would be a long period of growth of weeds in with the wheat. The weeds sown by the Devil mean false religion. It would be very difficult to distinguish between the two. It was only at the time of the harvest, the last days, that the true wheat would be separated."

However, what always puzzled me about this is that the verse says the weeds would be gathered out, not the wheat.

But i don't believe any of it now.

Pat

rhett

Yeah but there was still wheat growing in with the weeds. Who was that supposed to be for that long period of time?

Back down the bullies to the back of the bus
Its time for them to be scared of us

Kenneson

Gravedancer:
This was one of my main reasons for leaving the Jws. Historically, who were these "witnesses" in the interim? The Watchtower tells us they were there, but fails to identify them.
Do they include the Arians, the Waldensians, the Albigensians, etc.?
If so, would these groups want to be Jws? And would they be disfellowshipped for some of their beliefs that don't coincide with Watchtower teachings?

Next problem. If these unidentified "witnesses" were able to
read the Bible without the W.T. Society explaining it to them and
come to an understanding of the truth and still be Jws. on their own, what prevents people from doing so today? If people learned the truth without the Watchtower governing body, why is the Society indispensable today?

Does it make sense that Jesus would come and a governing body would soon result after his death and then this governing body would disappear and then everyone had to wait until Russell re-instituted it? Why would Jesus
do such a nonsensible thing? He might as well have waited to come in 1878 instead.
How could Russell do what Jesus could not and that is see to it that there would be a continuance of the governing body throughout the ages? If there had been a governing body when Russell came on the scene, he should have consulted it and would not have had to branch out on his own.

The so-called Apostasy mentioned be St. Paul doesn't explain it. Some people fell away from God, but not all the people could fall away. That's why Jesus sent the Holy Spirit. And if the whole body of believers apostasied in the 4th century under Constantine, what prevents that from happening again in our day? If Jesus couldn't assure the continuity of believers in his day, how can the Watchtower do so today?

singsongboi

quote:
".........The parable of the wheat and the weeds foretold that there would be a long period of growth of weeds in with the wheat............." unquote.

i think that they have had several goes at explaining that parable, and always find that a bit ..."sticks out".

consult the index ****(or the cd- i see being referred to) and you can trace the see-saw of ideas by the GB....

**** i don't have one anymore - my partner threw it out. he hates me keeping any of the literature..curiously, he also studied with jws when he lived in sg (b4 we met).. and says he did not get 'sucked in'. he thinx i must be brainweak to have spent so long in their grasp!!!!!!