Unable to speak your mind regarding a belief or a doctrine? You may be in a 'Protestant Papacy'.

by Captain Blithering 8 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Captain Blithering
    Captain Blithering

    Howdy all!

    Whilst perusing some mags from 1887 (as you do) I stumbled upon this article slagging off the 'Protestant Papacy' as they called it.. It may have been posted before, but it was new to me (as, increasingly is a LOT of stuff) so I thought I'd share..

    I've emboldened some areas of interest, it shows (to me) a good attitude back then.

    See anything familiar with our day in there?

    LOST AND SAVED

    [This article was a reprint of that published in issue of March, 1884, which please see.1]

    PAPACY IN THE PROTESTANT CHURCH

    The Protestant Church repudiates the Pope. It has much

    to say of the right of private judgment. And yet while it

    dismisses the Pope at the front door, it admits the Papal

    principle at the back door. Not content with framing its

    creeds out of the facts of Christianity, which no true Christian

    will dispute, the Reformed churches constructed systems of

    theology into creeds, and substituted for the rule of the

    Spirit, which is the only true substitute for that of the

    Pope, the domination of the system. Hence, in them all,

    there is more or less of this papacy of creed. If any one

    discovers some new truth out of harmony with its statements,

    or error inwrought at some point, he must either be silent,

    or run the risk of loss of standing and preferment, and per-

    haps of excision. It is amazing, when one reflects upon it,

    how the Protestant Church has thus abandoned the principles

    of private judgment, and the liberty of the Spirit, upon which

    it was based. One need not go far to find churches where

    honest thought and high aspiration are repressed, where the

    gates of free inquiry are closed, and new light from the Word

    of God. and from other sources in Nature and Providence, is

    barred out. A fatal domination of recognized leaders, keeps

    the body within the strict lines of its tradition, and puts its

    ban upon any who dare transcend them; unless, indeed, it be

    done in some such covert way as not to excite suspicion that

    the integrity of the system is to be endangered.

    To illustrate what we mean. A member of a prominent

    Presbyterian church remarked that his pastor, in conversing

    with him upon these themes, told him that he believed a

    great many things which gave him comfort which, as a

    Presbyterian minister, he could not preach. The admission

    has more than once been made to us by brethren of the

    highest standing that they found relief in the belief that

    God’s ways in redemption were not exhausted in this world,

    and that sinners who proved irreclaimable under them finally

    suffer extinction of being. And yet none of these men would

    dare give public utterance to such convictions. They regard

    themselves as under a sort of bond not to do so. And cer-

    tainly their standing in the church would be jeopardized if

    they did. This is what we mean by Protestant Papacy. How,

    we would ask, can there be honest progress in the knowledge

    of the truth, if honest convictions must thus be concealed ?

    Words of Reconciliation

    (Zion's Watchtower 1887 p926)

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Poor Russell must be spinning in his grave.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Is "Protestant Papacy" what we would call in the 21st century a High Control, Mind Controlling Cult ?

    i.e the WT/JW "religion".

  • Captain Blithering
    Captain Blithering

    I'm still getting my head around this whole 'it's a lie' scenario, but i gotta say, it's powerful reading the words of Russell and seeing how far from his ideas the WTS has drifted..

    Just gotten hold of the divine plan of the ages, with the pull out chart of the pyramid measurements, THAT is some mad stuff!

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    You are right Captain, but it is very much of its time, many similar books were published in the late 1800's and early 1900's .

    As you say, the WT has morphed in to something very different from Russell's Bible Students.

    Even in my lifetime I have seen it change quite dramatically from what it was when I was young, even then it was a high control, mind control group to a degree, but very diffent from today, I think the real rot set in after the 1980's purge that saw Ray Franz, Ed Dunlap and others expelled.

    It was not the same after that. "Honest convictions" could never be spoken of again.

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    Ha! The insidious papacy has "amazingly" infiltrated another of its chief detractors.

    How amusing - I mean shameful.

    Awesome catch Captain Blithering.

  • Captain Blithering
    Captain Blithering

    Thanks Fernando, and Phizzy - I wish I'd been even vaguely conscious of the change during the 80's , I was blissfully unaware of anything going on in HQ, and even into the 90's AND 2000's with the numerous doctrine changes, I just accepted it as refined teaching without giving it much thought..

    I feel like the proverbial frog put into warm water with the temperature being turned up.. I didn't notice my own brain being cooked.

    I wonder what my legs will taste like?

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    {erhaps the essay suffers from being outdated but I find it overly simplistic and trite.

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    Same here Captain Blithering: "I just accepted it as refined teaching without giving it much thought..."

    I now know there is often a shameful hidden story behind most changes: once again some poor hapless individual has caught the spiritually adulterous GB (Sanhedrin) with their pants down, and received a beating for looking upon their nakedness which they once again must hide by whitewashing the facts.

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