Unless you take responsibility you cannot be a moral person

by Terry 9 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Terry
    Terry

    Unless you take responsibility for your own thoughts, words and, most importantly, your DEEDS-you cannot be a moral person.

    Escaping responsibility is impossible even if you manipulate cunningly to achieve your ends. Why, because the nature of ethical standing

    is facing the effects you have caused and owning up.

    There is no need to explain the difference between saying you apologize as a token gesture when faced with someone you've harmed and

    the real heartfelt contrition of one who makes amends, pays restitution and offers service on behalf of the injured victim.

    And yet, historically, there have individuals and whole societies who contrived to escape moral responsibility by scape-goating.

    Yes, placing blame on others is the act of moral cowardice whereby pointing to an innocent third party becomes the means of escape.

    It was even incorporated into rituals such as human sacrifice!

    The evil deeds were merely SPOKEN over the innocent human before the slaughter AS IF a magical transfer could actually take place!

    Then the innocent victim was murdered for the wish-fulfillment to become OFFICIAL. Superstitious minds were perfectly at peace because

    they convinced themselves ACTUAL guilt and responsibility had been expunged by murder.

    As societies became more aware, conscious and rational it became necessary to justify the very INjustice of such rituals.

    The next step was to incorporate into the blood ritual sacrifice a COMMAND by deity that such an arrangement be authorized and approved

    from the spirit realm! Yet more scape-goating! In effect: WE have no choice but to obey our deity and particpate in this ritual murder!

    The passage of time through eras of human civilization took the notion of ESCAPE graducally from the burning of animals and the pouring out of blood to the use of innocent virgins to appease the invisible deity.

    A great relief for all concerned but no sense of shame attached.

    Perhaps this is why the idea embedded within christianity makes it perfectly acceptable to accept the murder of Jesus as a way

    escaping responsibility for millions worldwide for the last two thousand years.

    There is no morality in refusing to face the effects of your wrongdoing by scapegoating. But, the ritual gives the mind of the one accepting

    the arrangement the necessary sense of cleansing.

    I BROKE IT--BUT, I DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT must be the sign at the christian version of Pottery Barn.

    I saw a bumper sticker on an old car at a junkyard yesterday: Christians aren't perfect--just forgiven.

    How snide.

    Sort of like, "I robbed a bank and let Jesus serve the time."

    Aren't they really saying, "I'm glad Jesus got murdered because I get a free pass."

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Therefore Christians are not moral people ?

  • RayPublisher
    RayPublisher

    Not as simple as all that IMO...

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    Terry:

    Being as JWs are the most irresponsible people I have ever met, in my book I would not consider them "moral".

    They may think they are moral because they are refraining from "fornication".

    But, they aren't really moral inside in the true sense of the word. Very few of them have any sense of accountability for anything they do. They think they can do anything and be forgiven for it. They feel they can blame "Adamic" sin and try to turn the tables on the other guy for not forgiving them.

    I am relieved not to have any more dealings with them.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Therefore Christians are not moral people ?

    The goodness or badness of human character is either connected to the reality of their actions (i.e. what they have done and caused) or--it is a whim conferred by referee disconnected from any victims harmed or evil transacted.

    I'm simply stating that the sacrifice of a virgin human being as a scape-goat is a way of exempting a perpetrator from the effect they have

    caused and that such a barbaric idea is immoral.

    Any civilized person or society might well find it shocking that such an indemnity would be adopted or endorsed by a moral god.

    Why? Because the primitive, uneducated, pagan tribes invented the idea and you'd expect a truly higher and benevolent power could come

    up with a BETTER way.

  • NewYork44M
    NewYork44M

    One commitment I made to myself when I left this cult is that I would ALWAYS take responsibility for my actions. This was an important commitment. Because I was raised in a cult and spent most of my early adult years in the same cult I learned how easy it was to blame someone else.

    The prime candidate for this blame was Satan. If he only did half of the stuff he was blamed for he was quite a wicked individual.

    In addition to accepting full responsibility for my action I also committed to never be jealous for what I seen in other individuals. The transition from a cult to freedom was a very difficult and painful step for me. I did not take this decision lightly. After all, what was at stake was the rest of my life.

    I am not quite sure how my example fits into your story, but I hope it adds a few posts to this thread. Ultimately, isn't that all that is important?

    So, am I a moral person? Well, I never stole a freight train.

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    Terry:

    I was specifically referring just to JWs and I think they fall short of being real Christians. There are too many conditions placed on them by the religion and they don't have "real" love. They are also notoriously irresponsible.

    I hate to say it but from what I have seen in all the years of associating with people inside and outside the JW religion, I happen to think very devout members of Christendom are more moral all around than many JWs. Just my observation.

    The mind games and convoluted reasoning that is usually present with JWs is absent.

  • Terry
    Terry

    I was specifically referring just to JWs and I think they fall short of being real Christians. There are too many conditions placed on them by the religion and they don't have "real" love. They are also notoriously irresponsible.

    I hate to say it but from what I have seen in all the years of associating with people inside and outside the JW religion, I happen to think very devout members of Christendom are more moral all around than many JWs.

    Pointedly, my topic is meant to impel others to reflect on a largely ignored aspect of christian GRACE inasmuch as it is glorified human virgin innocent sacrifice no different than the crude idea of pagans extrapolated and dressed up as the answer to a sacred secret.

  • 5go
    5go

    Arguabliy you can not be a moral person ever the rules are designed to be broken so they can force you into believing you owe a debt to ______. (insert what ever into blank) Then of course you most repay said debt at great cost to _______. (insert man made organization into blank)

  • Terry
    Terry

    Integrity is a one to one correspondence between what you THINK, what you SAY and what you DO without conflict, dissonance or contradiction.

    If imperfect and deliberate men wilfully contrive to do evil while professing righteous standards by what standard are they judged? Is it what they

    say or what they do which is the deciding factor?

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