Scandalous confidence is nothing to brag about

by Terry 6 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Terry
    Terry

    And the final score is 78 to 22!

    Oh wait! We need clarity for this to mean anything.

    78% to 22%, does that help?

    No, I guess not. More details are needed...

    A GROUP OF SCHOLARS (the Jesus Seminar) concluded after years and years of investigation, debate, analysis and historical sifting that

    The Seminar consisted of 150 critical scholars and laymen.

    78% of the sayings Jesus is purported to have said are, in fact, NOT historically accurate.

    That's the bad news!

    But, the good news is that 22% probably are historically accurate.

    Should we come to realize that by choosing a particular denomination and insisting it contains the only TRUTH we are really saying

    "My religion is 100% true about a 22% content which is 78% false information."?

    If you were sitting on a jury trying to decide on life or death and 8 out of 10 pieces of testimony were false---what right would you have

    to assert a confident verdict either way??

    CONFIDENCE is scandalous with so little to base it upon--is it not?

    The following conclusions were reached by the Jesus Seminar in no particular order.

    (Note: Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT going like it at all)

    The Seminar asserts that Jesus did NOT hold the apocalyptic (end of the world) view attributed to him the actual message of Jesus' ministry was likely that the most important life children of God can live is in an effort to repair what is seen to be wrong with the world as it exists!

    Further:

    Jesus was a Jewish sage with Greek philosophical influences who was a wandering faith healer who preached liberation from injustices using startling parables and sayings. He was a tradition breaker who thought outside the box challenging well-accepted ideas with extraordinary simple confutation. He asserted that the Kingdom of God was inside believers who practiced ethical and charitable lives. He described God as a loving father. He was not divine but mortal who had two human paretns, did not perform actual miracles nor die as a substitutionary sacrifice nor did he come back from the dead. Almost everything else said about him was the imagination, exaggeration and mythologizing of others--many of whom simply believed whatever they heard about him no matter how far-fetched.

    The gospels of canon were intended as historical sources honestly accounting for Jesus' words and deeds but inadvertently included elaborate additions from naive folk who believed tall tales and people who inserted their own guesses. By comparison, the Gospel of Thomas (excluded by the church) contained more material of an authentic nature than the apocalyptic Gospel of John (included in the canon.)

    The critics of the Seminar breathe fire and brimstone down on the conclusions, methodology, a penis size of everybody connect to this!

  • Ding
    Ding

    The Jesus Seminar people automatically ruled out claims of divinity and the like.

    If you make up your mind ahead of time what some historical figure would or wouldn't have said, you will arrive at the conclusion you started with.

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    " The Jesus Seminar people automatically ruled out claims of divinity and the like.

    If you make up your mind ahead of time what some historical figure would or wouldn't have said, you will arrive at the conclusion you started with."

    There is more to it than that Ding; have you read the work of the Jesus Seminar?

  • Terry
    Terry

    I attended a symposium conducted by Robert Funk at Texas Christian University here in Ft.Worth.

    It was 2 hours long. Funk described in detail that a decision had been made at the outset to ASSUME no special provenance in reserve

    for magic, superstition or non-natural descriptions of events BECAUSE that is the same position you would take when considering any other

    historical narrative as to verisimilitude and historicity. For example, if you were reading an Eskimo account of a hunting trip in which a caribou

    started to levitate and speak--would you grant actuality and veracity on the face of it? No, because this is not the stuff of history and reality.

    In Homer's ODDSSEY the appearances of Athena do not suggest to historians the actuality of a living god--so, why grant the Jesus stories any greater permission?

    Thomas Jefferson took a similar approach when assembling what came to be known as the Jefferson bible.

    Occam's Razor is another way of paring down content into the simplest and most likely cause and effect in a situation which might well be

    "interpreted" many ways with some claimed as miraculous.

    So, for critics of these critcs to get all huffy because outright acceptance of miraculous descriptions is not a "given" is unreasonable.

    "Hi, I'm Morris McGilvray and I spotted Nessie last evening as I was fishing in my dinghy in Loch Ness. Her long neck came up out of the water

    and I glimpsed a glint in her eye although I had been sipping a bit o' whisky and the sun was directly in my eyes."

    Parse that for verity and see if you will grant automatically to Mr. McGilvray that a sea monster was actually in his view.

  • BobFlanagan007
    BobFlanagan007

    Considering there is no evidence that Super Magic Hippy Jesus as described in Yahweh's Big Book of Fairy Tales (aka The Bible) ever existed shouldn't the scholars have found 100% of the sayings Jesus is purported to have said are, in fact, NOT historically accurate?

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    The question about what Jesus said or didn't say is one issue, the other is did he exist at all. If so and the Jesus Seminar attributed only 28% of what the gospels said....and if they are right.....that would be outstanding. But what parts did he say and which parts didn't he say? To find out start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Seminar

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    Isn't this based on whether the findings of the Jesus Seminar are accurate?

    Their conclusions are heavily criticized by biblical scholars as the Wiki article cited by Giordano points out.

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