by Doug Mason 7 Replies latest watchtower bible
Does somone have a library handy that holds the book: "The Bible from the beginning" (New York 1929) by P. Marion Simms? I have searched here in Melbourne without success, and its exorbitant price tag means it won't be sitting on my bookshelf. If you can find a copy, I need scans of pages 74 to 76. It would be even better if I could obtain scans of the immediate context. Many thanks,
Doug
Hi Doug, I came across this site .....$5 plus shipping http://www.abebooks.com/book-search/author/p-marion-simms/page-1/ And other source beside watchtower Question Is today's bible the same exact book of 2000 years ago ? If it is NOT then how are you following a book that has Contradictions,Scientic error and Illogical ideas Good Answers The Answers1: If it is NOT then how are you following a book that has Contradictions,Scientic error and Illogical ideas The Answers2: No. The church has edited it numerous times to support their agenda. The Answers3: The Bible is the same since inception. Variations appear only in translations in various living languages, considering that the meaning of language and their expression advances with the maturity of people and cultures. The Bible was never meant as a summary of all the wisdom and science of the world. It provides believing people with explanations of divine actions and intervention they could comprehend. The Old Testament was for Jews a summary of common laws as well. Since it was written by many scholars and also simple-minded people, there are on the surface and effectively quite a number of contradictions. Therefor, any church that teaches to take every single word of the Bible as divine and unchangeable is absolutely misguided. The Answers4: “In the number of ancient MSS. [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . . Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical. No ancient book is so well attested as the Bible.”—The Bible From the Beginning (New York, 1929), P. Marion Simms, pp. 74, 76. A report published in 1971 shows that there are possibly 6,000 handwritten copies containing all or part of the Hebrew Scriptures; the oldest dates back to the third century B.C.E. Of the Christian Greek Scriptures, there are some 5,000 in Greek, the oldest dating back to the beginning of the second century C.E. There are also many copies of early translations into other languages. In the introduction to his seven volumes on The Chester Beatty Biblical Papyri, Sir Frederic Kenyon wrote: “The first and most important conclusion derived from the examination of them [the papyri] is the satisfactory one that they confirm the essential soundness of the existing texts. No striking or fundamental variation is shown either in the Old or the New Testament. There are no important omissions or additions of passages, and no variations which affect vital facts or doctrines. The variations of text affect minor matters, such as the order of words or the precise words used . . . But their essential importance is their confirmation, by evidence of an earlier date than was hitherto available, of the integrity of our existing texts.”—(London, 1933), p. 15. http://acm.uestc.edu.cn/lib/detail/html.php?id=20130630034542AAB1GuD I hope this helps Fair Dinkum mate ;)
Sorry Doug,
Don't know why the format ended up like that mess above ...
$5 plus shipping @
http://www.abebooks.com/book-search/author/p-marion-simms/page-1/
Pterist,
THANK YOU!
My (Aussie Google) search engine gave me Amazon Books, who want $140 for the book(!). What a great relief. Thank you, my friend.
A pity for JWs is that the WTS relies on old outdated opinions. Am I correct in suspecting that "Answer 4" in the piece you cited might come from page 63 of the WT book "Reasoning from the Scriptures"?
I managed to copy the item you cited from acm.uestc.edu.cn into Word, so no problem about the formatting. That's life.
But who or what is: acm.uestc.edu.cn ?
Doug
****But who or what is: acm.uestc.edu.cn ?*****
This question and answers came from that site, not sure what it is, looks like an academic site.
The quote from pages 74-76 show Up on several sites: as follows:
www.studybibleforum.com/htm_php.php3?...
“In the number of ancient MSS. [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . .Altogether classical MSS. are but a handfu?...
uk.answers.yahoo.com › ... › Society & Culture › Religion & Spirituality
Jul 14, 2013 - [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . . Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical. No ancient book ...
forum.the-dispatch.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3109&start=30 Feb 2, 2012 - 10 posts - 3 authors
(3) The Jerusalem Bible transliterates hai′des six times, but in other ..... [ manuscripts]attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed ... attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [ those ... Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical.
“In the number of ancient MSS. [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . .Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical.
acm.uestc.edu.cn/lib/detail/html.php?id=20130630034542AAB1GuD
Jun 30, 2013 - [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . . Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical. No ancient book ...
Fair Dinkum ;)
Pterist,
Thanks. Interesting. I look forward to seeing the book when it arrives, which usually takes 2 to 3 weeks from USA.
A porime example of selective quoting of course, since more recent discoveries, such as in 1947, blow these ideas out of the water.
I am stewing on an idea which means I need to find a copy of "Reasoning from the Scriptures", or at least pages 63 and 195 (and their immediate contexts). Time to make another search.
Doug
@Doug,
I enjoyed you summary of the changes in the July 15th, 2013 watchtower, it was a great source for discussions with JWs on Topixs, Great job thank you !
Here is a link to a lot JW old achieves if you have not got it already..
http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/archive.htm
Please keep me up to date with your work, by PM or otherwise ...
I have recently read a book based on "Old Earth creation" called "Peril in Paradise" which the author Mark S Whorton compared two models/paradigms of creation - old- earth V new-earth, and his " perfect for purpose" paradigm based on old-earth blows JW's view of earth being the intended "eternal home" out of the water. If you get an opportunity to read this book, I would appreciate you views on it.
http://www.amazon.com/Peril-Paradise-Theology-Science-Earth/dp/0830857346
I lived in Perth and freemantle, ( Worked in Alcoa) for a year back in 1988/89, I loved it but my late wife thought it too " Macho" LOL
Shalom :)
"Reasoning From The Scriptures" -- $9.95 US
