Looking for Several Pieces of Info

by Valis 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • Valis
    Valis

    My room mate and I have been discussing the origins of the Catholic stance on priests and celibacy. We're currently stuck on the concept of Peter, the first pope, having been married. This kind of throws a kink in their whole foundation IMHO. I'm interested to know if any of you have bible references that support celibacy by priests, or you have other historical info to consider. I would appreciate any help or discourse you can throw my way.

    As well, Yerusalem got me thinking about missionaries, and how many die going to where "the need is great". Not just among JWs. I've searched high and low to no avail. I tried the UN NGO site, several cooperative missionary pages, the Catholic Almanac, etc...if anyone knows where I could find compiled data on the number of missionaries killed around the world, I would be grateful.

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • Bodhisattva
    Bodhisattva

    Celibacy dates back to about 1000 A.D. Priests were passing on church property to their children. Can't have that.

  • MegaDude
    MegaDude

    Valis,

    (from a website)

    "The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII, in the year 1079 AD. Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children. (Read 1st Tim. 3:2,5, and 12: Matt 8:14-15)."

    An interesting historical timeline of Catholic theology and when it was mandated into their church is here:

    http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/updates/heresy/heresy.html

  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    http://www.rc.net/africa/catholicafrica/mission.htm

    The number of known missionaries around the world killed in 1996 is about 46. Of these, 40 died on the African soil in the following countries: 19 in Zaire, 8 in Algeria, 7 in Burundi, 3 in Rwanda, 2 in Ghana, and 1 in Tanzania. The blood of these daughters and sons of the Church has not been shed for nothing, since the blood of Christians indeed sows the seeds ofthefaith in Christ. From their death new and abundant life of the Church in these very regions will rise and flourish. In knowing their names, countries of origin, countries in which they died, and the date of their death, we associate with them in their suffering and death, as well as their joy in their triumphal entry into the fullness of life in Christ.

    http://www.cwnews.com/Browse/1999/12/11900.htm

    31 Catholic Missionaries Killed in 1999
    VATICAN (CWNews.com) -- The Fides news agency has published a list of 31 Catholic mission workers who have been killed during the calendar year 1999.

    While pointing out that the list is not complete-- because the year is not yet over, and because some martyrs are never recognized-- Fides listed 17 priests, 4 seminarians, 2 catechists, and 8 nuns among those who died for the faith. Among the priests who died, 10 were diocesan clerics and 7 were members of religious orders. The nuns who were victims belonged to three different congregations, with 4 of them being members of the Missionaries of Charity founded by Mother Teresa.

    A dozen of the slain missionaries were Africans, including 5 from Angola, 2 from Burundi, and 2 from Democratic Congo. Another 11 were Asia, including 6 from Timor and 3 from India. Five were from Colombia. Taking into account the missionaries from other lands, there were 15 Catholic Church workers killed in Africa this year.
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    http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_95/teryir.htm

    Two US missionaries, Steve Welsh and Timothy Van Dyke, were killed by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) during a confrontation with a Colombian Army patrol on 19 June . The guerrillas kidnapped the two New Tribes Mission members in January 1994 initially to force the withdrawal of US military personnel engaged in military assistance projects in Colombia. FARC later changed this demand to a monetary ransom.
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    http://www.naplesnews.com/02/03/neapolitan/d737825a.htm

    Almost an hour of the second half was devoted to telling the story of the martyrdom of five missionaries who went to the Amazon jungle in Quito, Ecuador in the '50s and the eventual conversion of the highly violent tribe.

    Chapman performed "God is God" and "God Follower" from his most recent CD, "Declaration," as well as "For the Sake of the Call," while a video of the story played on a screen behind him. Though all five missionaries were killed, the tribe is now "God-followers," as they call themselves, who follow "the maker of men."

    Steve Saint, whose father was one of the five missionaries killed, and his family, are now living with the tribe. He came out on stage to talk to the crowd, accompanied by one of the tribe members — Mincaye, the son of the man who had killed his father.

    Mincaye is now a "God-follower" and a church elder in his tribe. And Saint and Mincaye are close friends.

    Mincaye talked to the audience while Saint translated, then sang/chanted a song in his own language while Chapman sang "My Redeemer is Faithful and True."Chapman came back for an encore that began with the celebratory, hook-filled "Live Out Loud" and ended with the audience joining him in the old hymn, "I Surrender All."
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    http://www.themass.org/homily/1999/h-011099.htm

    In 1998 alone, 39 missionaries were killed in Asia, Africa and Latin
    America.

    Fides, a news service sponsored by the Vatican Congregation for Evangelization, reported that 68 missionaries were killed in 1997.

    In 1996, 48 missionaries were slain. 155 missionaries killed in the past 3 years. We hear little about this in the media.

    In Angola, on January 6th of this year, a Catholic priest and two lay
    catechists were killed in an aeaa where rebels and government troops
    have resumed fighting. Missionaries who care for the wounded in their
    clinics become targets of rival enemy troops.

    Missionaries risk their lives every day trying to witness to their faith in Jesus and his gospel message of peace and love for the least
    important of human beings.

    Think of the missionaries and their people. They get no holidays from their situation. They witness to their faith in an atmosphere of violence, fear, and despair.

    Just a small sampling...

    edited to include/fix link.

  • anewperson
    anewperson

    Valis, the only Bible verse that would come close to it would be the one saying some make themselves eunuchs for the kingdom's sake but eunuch usually does not mean a castrated male but a servant for a royal court. This is so because in ancient times in the Middle East male palace servants were often, though not always, castrated out of fear that any man not castarated might have relations with the king's concubines. So the verse really means it's good to be a servant for God, not somebody castrated or totally celibate. The reality in any case is that priests do have sex. I bet even John Paul had some kind of sex when younger even if he were to deny it, and if not he would not be normal. Pedophiles are abnormal, not normal healthy men or women.

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    Jesus was celibate. So was St. Paul (1Cor. 7:10)

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