What About the Resurrection? The JUST and the UNJUST?

by Cold Steel 3 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    The scriptures speak about the resurrection of both the just and the unjust. All will be resurrected. Paul teaches that although all will be resurrected, not all will be resurrected to the same glory. Even as there are differences in heavenly and earthly glories, variances exist throughout both. “So also,” he said, “is the resurrection of the dead.” (See 1 Corinthians 15)

    But according to Jehovah’s Witnesses, there will be only two resurrections. One will be the resurrection of the just (“just” Jehovah’s Witnesses). The other will be the unjust. But how does that work? As I understand it, and please correct me if I’m wrong, all people who have died in the past will be resurrected and then given a choice regarding whether they support or oppose Jehovah in his great war against Satan. Those who go with Jehovah are saved and those who don’t...well, they will be destroyed.

    So what about those who are destroyed in Armageddon? In every article it seems that the wicked end up dead...permanently. So are those destroyed in Armageddon resurrected or not? Paul wrote, “For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order....”

    Jehovah's Witnesses don’t seem to make any provisions for those killed at Armageddon. Why? It also doesn’t make sense that God would bring the unrighteous back, then destroy them. Doesn’t that make Christ’s suffering and death ineffectual? At least for some...or most?

    “All flesh is not the same flesh,” Paul writes, “but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead.”

    Why, if only the righteous are resurrected (for good), would there be so many different degrees? Paul also declares, concerning the body, “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.”

    Keeping in mind that a “natural” body is mortal and a “spiritual” body is a resurrected physical body (animated by spirit), we have to determine why there should be many different types of resurrections if Jehovah is going to destroy all but the faithful.

    Speaking of Jehovah’s enemies, a Watchtower writer gets a bit carried away. “If, as it were, they should go into the mountainous region of Bashan and onto its high peaks, from there the inescapable Jehovah God will bring them down and back to punishment. If, even in atomic-powered submarines, they should try to hide themselves in the depths of the sea, the unavoidable Jehovah God will bring them back. To what? To face slaughter, that their lifeblood might be poured out.” (Watchtower, November 1, 1967) I have this image in my mind of a giant stern-faced bearded man plucking a nuclear Seawolf-class submarine from the sea, shaking it a few times and smashing it against an asphalt street in a ruined U.S. city.

    Is Jehovah-God is going to then resurrect those poor sailors and destroy them again? What sense does that make and, again, what does it mean about the efficacy of Christ’s sacrifice? How do the Jehovah's Witnesses explain this?

  • Badfish
    Badfish

    The resurrection spoken of in 1 Corinthians 15 is a spiritual resurrection - not fleshly. It is talking about being raised as a spirit, not into a human body of flesh. That's why it says " It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. " So they wouldn't be resurrected into mortal fleshly human bodies that can die a physical death again. But if you die as a spirit, you must be thrown into the Lake of Fire, which means the Second Death (Revelation 20:14-15).

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    Paul wrote about figurativedeath through repentance, and then resurrectionthrough baptisminto Christ at Romans chapter 6. (verse 2 highlights this fact)

    This basic Bible truth is perverted by the Org to mean a literal dying. The context of verses 1-11 shows this teaching to be a blasphemy.

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Badfish: The resurrection spoken of in 1 Corinthians 15 is a spiritual resurrection - not fleshly. It is talking about being raised as a spirit, not into a human body of flesh. That's why it says "It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one." So they wouldn't be resurrected into mortal fleshly human bodies that can die a physical death again. But if you die as a spirit, you must be thrown into the Lake of Fire, which means the Second Death (Revelation 20:14-15).

    I agree that it’s a spiritual resurrection, but what exactly is that? Does it mean that people are resurrected as spirits? The scripture doesn’t say that. When Jesus appeared to the apostles, they at first thought he’d been resurrected as a spirit. But he was quick to explain to them that this was not the case. “Why do fears arise in your hearts,” he asked. “Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Handle me and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and hones as ye see me have.”

    To emphasize his point, Jesus suddenly asked, “Have ye any meat?” And they gave him a piece of broiled fish and honey comb, and Jesus ate it before them. Is it possible that Jesus was hungry after three days in the tomb? That seems rather unlikely; instead, it appeared to be a teaching device.

    Paul later writes, “ Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be [in the resurrection]: but we know that, when [Christ] shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. ”

    In short, according to the scriptures, our resurrection will be like Christ’s; yet it will be a spiritual resurrection. So knowing it also will be a physical resurrection, how can it be both physical and spiritual? And how did Jesus go through the walls and ceilings of the building? The Jehovah's Witnesses have used that as evidence that Jesus was indeed a spirit. How else could he have passed through solid walls unless he was a spirit? That argument today is completely specious as it was when it was conceived. What we know today of quantum physics, wormholes, interdimensional travel, particles that can coexist in different dimensions and much more. Jesus, having all power and authority from the Father, could easily go through walls and ceilings.

    So what is spiritual resurrection? Again, a man, having separated from the flesh through death, becomes a spirit...a being that is limited in what it can do and experience. Then, in the resurrection, that spirit is reunited with the flesh and becomes greatly empowered. But instead of having a corruptible body of flesh and blood, we become perfected beings of immortal flesh, bone and spirit. That is why Jesus said, “A spirit hath not flesh and bone as ye see I have.” Thus we see that Jesus was perfect in his being. He was not a spirit as he was previously when he was Yahweh in the generations before his birth. He was now in the “express image” of his Father and like him in every way.

    The term “spiritual resurrection” was an almost irreconcilable issue with the early church fathers. Tertullian acknowledged Christ’s physical body, but was puzzled by the reference to a spiritual resurrection. It was, perhaps, the Spirit of God that animated Christ’s physical body. Whereas they saw the complexities in the issue, the Jehovah's Witnesses rushed in and immediately jumped to the dubious conclusion that Jesus was resurrected as a spirit, manufactured a physical body to deceive the apostles into thinking he wasn’t a spirit, then spent forty days with them as a physical being.

    In fact, though, Jesus became a dual nature, being a perfected man of flesh and bone, and spirit. Thus, he would remain forever. That’s why his body was missing from the tomb. It had been restored to him in a glorified condition. And, we’re told, our resurrection can be like Christ’s.

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