Problems in all religions

by Dawn 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • Dawn
    Dawn

    Something happened at my church today that I wanted to share with you all.

    The church I attend now is quite large. 1800+ members, as well as hundreds of other regular attenders. As with any group of that size, there is always the need for "rules" to keep some sort of organization going.

    Well - one of the new rules in my church is that parents/relatives/etc are not allowed to stay in the Sunday school rooms during class. The doors always are open, and parents can come get their kids at any time, but they're not allowed to stay in the classroom. This new rule was put in place to protect the children from pedophiles. You see, all sunday school helpers (self included) must fill out a form with proof of ID and a background check is done on them through the Sheriff's office. So, since staff and helpers are the only ones who have had the background check, they're also the only ones allowed to remain in the classroom.

    Anyways - I think this is a great rule. But sometimes following rules to a rigid degree can cause harm when they're supposed to do good.

    A mother with two young children (3 & 2) recently started coming. The 3 year old goes to the classroom where I am a helper. She was reluctant to let mom leave, so the teacher told mom she could hang out for a while with the little one until she got settled in. However, with this new rule in place, that means mom can't stay in the classroom any longer. When mom was told this today she got very upset and explained that she just couldn't leave them there crying. I didn't hear the rest of the conversation - but it ended with the mom grabbing her kids, running out of the classroom crying hysterically. Not a site I EVER wanted to see and hope I NEVER see again. I caught up with her in the hallway, hugged her and begged her to talk with me to see if there was something I could do to help, but she was too upset to talk. This whole scene broke my heart in two and I just couldn't help it - I broke into tears myself.

    I told the staff and administrators that although I understand some rules are needed, we have to remember what is more important - the rules or the people. In this circumstance there was definately a better way to handle this situation rather than rigidly following a rule.

    They're going to call her this week to see if there is anything that can be done to remedy the situation. Although I do not believe she will come back (and for that I feel partly responsible and so very very very sad!!) - I am praying and hoping that she won't get lost completely but will find a church (perhaps a smaller one) where the rules can be more flexible.

    I also told the staff and administrators there that I know problems will arise in any church - but the real scale to me is how those problems are dealt with. So I will watch to see how they resolve this one before I make a decision as to whether I stay or find another church myself.

    I wanted to share this for three reasons:

    (1) Honesty - I have to admit to everyone that I see problems not just with the JW's but in all religions;

    (2) Release - I needed to share this with someone because it makes me so sad;

    (3) Freedom - This is the first time I felt really free to express my opinions (strongly) with a pastor or church administrator and not worry about any discipline. They may or may not agree with my opinion, but they listened with respect and didn't try to "correct" me. And if I choose to leave their church, they'll still be my friends.

  • DakotaRed
    DakotaRed

    I agree with you, Dawn. Rules need to be flexible and not always held to so rigidly. Exceptions need to be made, especially where parents and children are concerned. Parents should not have to undergo background checks to be with their own children. That is ludicrous. I would think a background check for someone left alone with small children is what would be required.

    We get so wrapped up in rules sometimes, that we forget why they were made and the result is what matters, not the rule itself.

    What you mention is pretty much why I no longer believe in religion, but only the Bible. All religions are man-made and all fall short, in my opinion. I hope they handle the situation delicately and with love and humility.

    If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

  • LB
    LB

    Dawn it sounds like your religion at least allows you to express discontent and even leave without being shunned. I'm sure all faiths have problems. It's just as a JW you can lose all contact with loved ones for very little.


    Never Squat With Yer Spurs On

  • Marilyn
    Marilyn

    I agree with you Dawn. I would have been upset by what happened too. I think people are much more important than rules.
    Marilyn

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Dawn,
    I agree with Dakota and LB,

    You focused on people and their needs. That will often put you at odds with 'policies and proceedures'. But Jesus was always in trouble for the same thing. You're in good company.

    Jst2laws

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    If you want to learn how to be a spiritual person, you don't require any religion. All a religion does is fulfill social needs and nothing else.

    Will

    "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
    Mark Twain

  • Princess
    Princess

    Awww, I feel for you both. Being a stay at home mom, my kids would never have let me leave them at 2 & 3 without crying. There is absolutely no way I would have left them if I couldn't hang around for a little while to help them settle in.

    I know you feel bad, but I would have left too. The rule is there to protect everyone, but it just doesn't fit with some lifestyles. Hopefully she can find someplace that fits better. It wasn't your fault.

    Rachel

  • avengers
    avengers

    A good Mom would never leave their kids with any religion.
    Background checks or not, Religion cannot be trusted.

    Here's a picture of what religion is:

    You wanna leave your kids with this?? You're surely jesting!

  • blondie
    blondie

    Where else do pedophiles hang out:

    Schools
    Summer camps
    Team sports/coaches and assistants
    Daycare/babysitters (including boyfriends/husbands/male relatives)
    Playgrounds
    Your home/neighborhood (relatives, friends,neighbors)
    Social workers/police/judges/counselors

    Keeping your child away from religious groups does guarantee their safety. Pedophiles are found in every walk of life.

  • Bodhisattva
    Bodhisattva

    I agree with Dakota's statement,

    I would think a background check for someone left alone with small children is what would be required. (emphasis added)
    I agree that the reason behind this rule is valid. It goes to show the difficulty of making rules that are just and fair. Even legislators, selected by the majority as their best representatives, often trained in political science, economics, and the minutiae of public policy, make mistakes. And they expect window washers to do this, and without review by the congregation?

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