CHINA NOW-New Aussie PM Lauds China's Strength as he meets Xi Jinping

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  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    The important Asia Pacific Economic Conference is underway in Bali. Asia Pacific leaders are gathering to discuss building further economic progress. That is, AP leaders without US President Obama who can't attend because his nation is riven by yet another crisis.

    But as China's President Xi arrived:

    Tony Abbott, the new, conservative Prime Minister of Australia, grabbed the opportunity for a private meeting

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott meets with Chinese President Xi Jinping during the APEC Leaders' Meeting, in Bali, Indonesia.

    and lauded China's power and told Xi:

    "China's growing strength is a benefit to the world, not a challenge,"

    "Certainly we in Australia owe much of our prosperity to the rapidly growing trade relations between our two countries.

    "We have a strong relationship and it's my fervent hope we can make it even stronger in the months and years ahead."

    and further:

    Mr Abbott responded that it was an "honour" to meet Mr Xi, a man who has "seen more of Australia than many Australians".

    "We have a strong relationship and it's my fervent hope it will become even stronger in the months and years ahead,” Mr Abbott said.

    He said Australians owed "much of our prosperity to the rapidly growing trade relations between our two countries".

    and in heaven, Mao Zedong rolled over again and put his hands over his ears, and Zhou Enlai smiled his little smile

    (Compiled from reports in the Sydney Morning Herald, the (Australian) ABC News and the Chinese Global Times (English, internet edition)

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-feels-the-economic-love-from-his-chinese-counterpart-xi-jinping-in-bali-meeting-ahead-of-apec-20131006-2

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-07/abbott-meets-chinese-president-on-sidelines-of-apec/5001922

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/815648.shtml#.UlHQ6FBmhcY

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Nice. Tony Abbott hasn't said anything stupid to the Chinese yet.

  • AuntConnie
    AuntConnie

    China's Great Economic Growth and Purging of Nature vs Sydney's Embracing of it. China has a two hundred year economic growth plan to turn the entire planet into these great photos Full-Time student alway's leaves out of his work. The little propaganda machine for Mao and Deng-Xiao-Ping Bridge Plan, xiao gǔn dàn!

    Sydney Harbour Bridge

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Sure, its quite true, Aunt Connie, and thank you for raising the issue!

    Now, I'm not sure how old you may be, but (sadly) I'm old enough to remember the problems of industrial pollution in the west and the long struggle to change it. I can remember reports of winter time 'pea-soup' fog in say London, where on the worst days you could not see a metre in front you. And, in beautiful Sydney, I recall standing on a roof top in South Sydney, (I was a labourer with a roof repair co.) watching all the smoke from factories in the old industrial heart of Sydney (Alexandria to St.Peters -and it seemed like hundreds of smoke columns) rising up to Yahweh. As I recall it Paris had the same problem and New York. I picked London because being "British to the boot-heels", back in Bob Menzies day, (you recall Bob M do you, he was the guy always threatening us with 'reds under the beds.') we heard about London more than any other place.

    reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pea_soup_fog

    Pea soup fog

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This article is about the term for thick fog or smog.

    Pea soup, or a pea souper, also known as a black fog or killer fog, is a very thick and often yellowish, greenish, or blackish smog, caused by air pollution that contains soot particulates and the poisonous gas sulfur dioxide. These very thick smogs occur in cities and are derived from the smoke given off by the burning of soft coal for home heating and in industrial processes. Smog of this intensity is often lethal to vulnerable people such as the elderly, the very young and those with respiratory problems.

    London

    Such fogs were prevalent in UK cities, especially London where the smoke from millions of chimneys combined with the mists and fogs of the Thames valley. The result was commonly known as aLondon particular or London fog, which then, in a reversal of the idiom, became the name for a thick pea and ham soup. [1]

    An 1871 New York Times article refers to "London, particularly, where the population are periodically submerged in a fog of the consistency of pea soup..." The fogs caused large numbers of deaths from respiratory problems.

    Clean Air Act

    The worst recorded instance was the Great Smog of 1952, when 4,000 additional deaths were reported in the city over a couple of days, leading to the passage of the Clean Air Act 1956 which banned the use of coal for domestic fires in urban areas. The overall death toll from that incident is now believed to be around 12,000

    Cultural references

    Contrary to popular impression, the Arthur Conan Doyle Sherlock Holmes stories contain only a handful of references to London fogs, and the phrase "pea-soup" is not used. A Study in Scarlet (1887) mentions that "a dun-coloured veil hung over the house-tops." The Adventure of the Bruce-Partington Plans (1912) describes "a dense yellow fog" that has settled down over London, and later notes, "a greasy, heavy brown swirl still drifting past us and condensing in oily drops on the windowpane".

    In Chapter 3 of Charles Dickens' Bleak House, when Esther arrives in London, she asks of the person meeting her, "whether there was a great fire anywhere? For the streets were so full of dense brown smoke that scarcely anything was to be seen. 'O, dear no, miss,' he said. 'This is a London particular.' I had never heard of such a thing. 'A fog, miss,' said the young gentleman."

    Do you think (grin) it could be argued, Aunt Connie, that one way of seeing the last 40 years would be that the west exported its pollution problems to China? (OK, I admit that's a bit 'tongue in cheek.')

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    quote: The little propaganda machine for Mao and Deng-Xiao-Ping Bridge Plan!

    Not sure where you're going with that comment, Aunt Connie? Is that a well-considered comment after some research? If it is, maybe you need to change you're source of information.

    Even though both Deng and Mao were members of the CPC, they were on opposite sides of the internal party debate as to how to re-build China's strength. Mao and his side, wanted a centralised, state owned (socialist) system, and others (Mao called them the "capitalist roaders, because they wanted at least a freer market based system). Deng was jailed for years on Mao's instructions because of his advocacy for more private enterprise.

    When after Mao's failed 'big leap forward' ( as XJW's we ought to remember the role of slogans) the Party attempted to remove Mao from executive positions. China's Cultural Revolution was Mao's attempt to re-assert his authority. It nearly wrecked the progress that had been made since 1949. Everyone held their breathe. When Mao died, the party soon put Deng in the executive position. At that point in time, it could be said that everyone in China, was nearly equal - "equally poor." (grin). The 'capitalist-roaders' in the party with Deng in charge realised that some people and some areas would get rich faster than others and so it proved, but you should admit that their policies have succeeded. Do you?

  • zeb
    zeb

    Australias economy is so dependant on China it is a case of all eggs in one basket. Governments left and right in Australia have for the last two generations conducted the demise of Australian manufacturing. The last generation (my kids) were told of the great advances coming in the 'service industries' this was a load of *** as it meant that serving drinks was promoted as productive trade craft work was all but going.

    Despite the massive amount of mining in the country no govt has the testicular fortitude to process the minerals here and export the semi or fully finished products. We sell iron ore instead of steel.

    Behind the Chinese leader and his wife is an aircraft. Its a fair bet it was made in China.

    Australia once had a small but growing aircraft industry. It was the Liberals with their cultural cringe for anything Australian saw that vital industry go belly up for the want of orders. Aircraft for the defence forces were all bought from over seas usually just before elections. Domestic light aircraft production was killed off by a liberal govt that DECREASED tariffs on imported aircraft. .

    In the 1960's apprenticeships in all industries were there to be had. Today they are a rarity. The Governent dept that were big providers of apprenticeships now provide none but they have massive HR depts flooded with 'ms' persons whose purpose is obscure and output is invisible.

    Yes shake hands Tony and take the que from the Chinese and develop a ten year plan if any of you know how apart from forcing private contracts on people for McPoverty wages.

    Under the previous Liberal (conservative) PM John Howard thousands of permanent jobs for vanished and were replaced with part time or casual. Try getting a housing loan when you are pt or cas. The banks didnt believe howards way.

    Since then we have Labor supposedly representing the working people has evolved from men who machined the steel and worked their way up the party ranks to those who have never done a days work but can quote from any inane thesis on rights over responsibilities or our role in the world all the while seeing Australia invaded by stealth as part of the price to get seat on the UN so they can hob nob with the big boys.

    It is a tragedy. The trouble is no matter who you vote for it is always the government that gets voted in. It could be different if my fellow Australians were not so damned generous of soul and not so mentally lazy.

    Seeing these things all happen was a major reason i was attracted to the wts to see i hoped some justice. The wts appeared to have a world picture in mind. But that world has been revealed to be only a few square miles of the US.

    But that has become another story one we can all share.

    rant over.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Zeb, I sympathises with your viewpoint. However the problem is more complex than described. Australia was always a "branch " economy. Up to WW2, the Brits were "home" and the "boss." But what else could we expect with a population of around 7 million people in 1939, and could we expect a greater population after 10 years of economic troubles in the 1930s.

    WW2 gave us more industry, and behind the tariif walls of the time, and the much greater tariffs of the Menzies-McEwan era, Australia grew some large companies. Problem was, apparently, this industry was not efficient. Union 'feather-bedding' and wage expectations and management inexperience made us inefficient in comparison to UK-Europe and the USA. When the Whitlam government (rightly, IMO) reduced tariffs and exposed us to the world, we entered a period of great adjustment. Changes in what constitutes 'industry' and 'work' makes comparison with the past very difficult.

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    In connection with all our eggs being in one basket. I absolutely agree, in my slowly collected business experience (a sad result of Yahweh's old-fashioned view that we can all be peasant farmers), I was taught not to allow any one customer/client to have more than 10% of one business. China learnt very quickly not to put all one's eggs in the one basket. When Aussie iron-ore producers jacked up the price by 100% in one year, they (China) went all out to obtain new sources of supply. North China steel makers now have a large mine (not nearly as large as Australian mines) in Mongolia and there is a very large deposit in Siberia awaiting development. (Bad places to get ore from in winter). Then there is Brazil and Africe as well.

    Australia does sell to Japan and S.Korea. But there is not another China in sight. However, while China builds new subways in their major cities, and giant new bridges and new ports and hi-speed railways all over their country, and possibly neighbouring countries, its likely that they will keep buying Australian stuff.

    What do you think of the present talks between the Govt. and General motors? It appears that GM is saying that the only way they will keep making cars in OZ, is if the government gives them a hefty subsidy. OTOH I don't think that Toyota requires a subsidy (not that I've heard, anway). So can we depend on an American company anymore? Are we better off to turn to an Asian company?

    THE gravel-voiced Ian Macfarlane is the sort of Industry Minister who is likely to have the respect of manufacturers and the unions as the car industry in Australia stops and starts.

    Having accepted an offer of $275 million in taxpayer funds to continue producing cars until 2022, Holden has asked for more.

    As reported in the Herald Sun, the company says market conditions have changed dramatically since March last year. Ford says it will cease manufacturing in Australia in 2016 and while Toyota is optimistic there are concerns that parts suppliers to the three car companies will not be able to make a profit when there are two.

    The big three car companies employ 17,000 people directly, while the total automotive industry, including suppliers, employs 55,000 and supports 200,000 jobs indirectly.

    Holden has received $2.2 billion in government subsidies over the past 12 years and Ford $1.1 billion. Car subsidies to the car industry do not come from a bottomless service pit, but Mr Macfarlane may prove to be the best man behind the wheel over the next few months. There are many twists and turns to come.

    Web reference: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/twists-and-turns-to-come-for-car-industry/story-fni0ffsx-1226732483909

    Maybe we should ask a Chinese or Indian company to make cars in OZ.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    I was thinking about your comments Zeb, and came to realise that your thoughts are mirrored in many other societies.

    Here's a film (part ?) made by a German crew in the 1960's of Japan at that time, as Japanese products started to sweep the world. Today a lot of brand name Japanese products are made elsewhere in the world, and even then by robots (who often do the job better than humans and dont take sickies).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NvqUqSqQvU

    The Japanese factory worker of that time, (if still alive) has probably been laid off and can't get another job.

    And, even the vaunted Japanese 'salaryman,' who was supposed to have a 'job-for-life' and who gave his life and soul to the company may have been laid off. The recent film also named 'Tokyo Sonata' dealt with emotional despair of a salaryman laid off, and the affect on his family.

    Here's a trailer for that movie - I couldn't find access to a full length vidoe, but if you can find it, its worth watching , particularly from the viewpoint we are talking about the first part.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyWp__jXNRw

    Japan is an interesting study. Western commentators speak of 'Japan's lost decade,' as it experienced the events that you may fear, (and, likely Aunt Connie also). Things that most fear - which is one reason that the JWs and other churches like them find converts - if you can't see any other way out - you can dream of a big dog in the sky that can solve all problems!

    The truth is however that we have to make our own way out - and from that viewpoint, maybe Japan is way ahead of us.

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Hey zeb, if that aircraft's a Boeing, it is made in America. There's me place in the world where they make Boeings, and that's the Seattle area. My husband's step mum designs the avionics for them and told us they're all made round Seattle.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    I searched for an idea of what plane a Chinese President may usse, and didn't find much. One Wikipedia entry says that it would be either a Boeing 737 or 747.

    My guess is that it is either Boeing or Airbus. (What other choice is there at present)

    China does make passenger planes, but smaller ones. They also make quite a lot components for Airbus, not sure about Boeing.

    There's a list of all types of aircraft produced in China at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_aircraft

    As you'll see, there is quite a range, especially of military type aircraft. Even so, they buy from other makers, if they see a reason to do so.

    For instance, back in March, Forbes magazine reported a deal between China and Russia for the PLA to buy 24 Sukhoi SU-35 which Forbes described as a super maneuverable:

    ( Web reference: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2013/03/25/after-a-decade-long-wait-china-and-russia-ink-super-jet-military-deal/ )

    I love watching it fly:

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