In case it isn’t clear, Chris Brown is describing his rape. An eight-year-old cannot consent, and when an older teenager engages a child sexually, it is rape.

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  • Sol Reform
    Sol Reform

    http://youngist.org/post/63375941920/chris-brown-jezebel-and-getting-rape-wrong

    • Monday, October 7, 2013
    Chris Brown, Jezebel, and Getting Rape Wrong

    by William C. Anderson We’ve come a long way on certain issues relating to gender, sexuality, and assault. But some things take longer than others. We specifically still have trouble accepting that boys and men are sometimes the survivors of sexual assault.

    At best, we ignore the stories of men being sexually assaulted. At worst, we couch those experiences in ridicule. Doing so is dehumanizing and only works to further invisibilize rape survivors.

    When men articulate what it means to survive a sexual assault, they cannot count on the support they need, but can instead count on a patriarchal culture that mocks them. Jezebel recently illustrated how this works. In an interview with The Guardian, Chris Brown recalled his first sexual encounter:

    He lost his virginity when he was eight years old, to a local girl who was 14 or 15. Seriously? “Yeah, really. Uh-huh.” He grins and chuckles. “It’s different in the country.” Brown grew up with a great gang of boy cousins, and they watched so much porn that he was raring to go. “By that point, we were already kind of like hot to trot, you know what I’m saying? Like, girls, we weren’t afraid to talk to them; I wasn’t afraid. So, at eight, being able to do it, it kind of preps you for the long run, so you can be a beast at it. You can be the best at it.” (Now 24, he doesn’t want to say how many women he’s slept with: “But you know how Prince had a lot of girls back in the day? Prince was, like, the guy. I’m just that, today. But most women won’t have any complaints if they’ve been with me. They can’t really complain. It’s all good.”)

    In case it isn’t clear, Chris Brown is describing his rape. An eight-year-old cannot consent, and when an older teenager engages a child sexually, it is rape.

    Regardless of what Brown describes as being “different in the country,” it doesn’t matter whether an assault takes place in a rural or urban setting. He was raped. However, it’s not surprising that this escapes those that buy into the myth that men cannot be raped – perhaps even Brown himself.

    The failure to even be able to define rape by politicians, the population, and the media contribute to perpetuate a societal epidemic. It’s bad enough that The Guardian glossed over what happened to Brown.

    But no matter how unpleasant Chris Brown may be, he does not deserve to be ridiculed for being sexually assaulted at the age of eight. Over at Jezebel, Doug Barry decided to weigh in in the worst way possible.

    It starts with the title of his post, “Chris Brown Brags About Losing His Virginity When He Was Eight.” Barry immediately dismisses the fact that Chris Brown was raped by simply calling it braggadocio.

    It’s unclear whether this was done because Brown is seemingly unaware that he was describing his own sexual assault, or because Barry refuses to accept that boys can actually be raped – or both. Nevertheless, it’s irresponsible for Barry to get something so simple so incredibly wrong. Not only does Barry fail to see Brown as a rape survivor, but he also uses Brown’s honesty about what occurred to deride him.

    This is not the first time that Doug Barry, while writing for Jezebel, has refused to recognize that a man can be raped. Just last year, Barry wrote about a woman who raped a man in Germany, and titled his post “German Woman Tries to Hold Sexhausted Man Prisoner in Her Apartment.”

    The story of a woman who actually barred a man from leaving her apartment while she raped him seems one that would be especially difficult to get wrong. But not for Barry. In fact, Barry fails to use the word “rape” even once. Barry’s conclusion is indicative of the sarcasm he uses to dismiss certain rape survivors:

    It’d be interesting to see what becomes of these charges, and whether a German defense attorney chronicles this man’s entire sexual history in an effort to discredit his accusations and make him seem way too promiscuous in an effort to prove that it was his own fault in the first place for sleeping with a complete stranger. Can you picture a bunch of German talk radio hosts calling this guy a “slut” or suggesting that he was just asking to be held as a prisoner in this woman’s apartment? Now that would be quite the gender reversal.

    Ironically enough, Barry is doing just what the very pundits he is taking a jab at would do. He is silencing, blaming, and ignoring the plight of the rape survivor.

    And, by describing this rape as “sexhaustion,” he is making a joke of sexual assault. Man or woman, when someone is held against their will and sexually assaulted, it is called rape. Boy or girl, when an older teenager coerces or forces themselves upon on a child, it is called rape.

    When Jezebel calls rape “losing ones virginity” or “sexhaustion,” it’s erasing an experience, and reinscribing violence through that erasure. Yes, women make up the overwhelming majority of rape survivors, but making fun of anyone’s rape is intolerable.

    When Chris Brown detailed his rape as a child, he provided an opportunity to defy the myth that men cannot be rape survivors.

    There are many more survivors out there. Too many times, they stay silent themselves. And too many times, when they do speak up, they are ridiculed by writers and by publications that should know better.

  • WingCommander
    WingCommander

    Know what? Chris Brown probably made all that shit up just for:

    1.) To brag how young he was (he was probably teens like the rest of us)

    2.) To prop up his womanizing, John Holmes persona.

    He's probably full of utter shit, like most of these ghetto trash gangsta THUGS. I can't believe Rihanna keeps going back with that scumbag. SHE is truly a victim, and shows all the signs of abuse, unlike this D-bag Chris Brown.

    - Wing Commander

  • blkblk21
    blkblk21

    You would really have to know more about what happened to say w/o a doubt that this was rape. Lets say the little girl (14yo is still a child) was having sex with some older boys maybe letting them all take turns having sex with her. Little Chris Brown is curious and the older boys ask her if he can stick it in too. She says yes, little Chris Brown sticks it in plays around and leaves feeling a like a little man. This is NOT rape. Sex play is very common between children & w/o appropriate levels of adult supervision children can engage in a level of sexual activity that is not healthy for their age. The real issue with the story is lack of parental guidance. Kids that age shouldn't easily have that much access to porn and a 14yo girl should not be having sex with random neighborhood boys.

    Unless, this guy has the details on who initiated the sexual contact and how everything happened (which he clearly doesn't) he has no basis to claim Chris was raped. This statement that a child can never consent to sexual interaction with another child is dumb. It completely ignores the reality that children can be sexually precocious at young ages and if given the opportunity they will experiment with other children and imitate behaviors of older children. Throwing around the word rape is unecessary and destructive. Now this little 14yo girl who may have been peer-pressured into having sex w/ Chris by older boys is being tabled a "rapist". It's incredibly dangerous to make blanket accusations w/o having all of the facts.

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    Most 15 year olds, whether male or female, can barely wait to have sex.

    Very few are actually damaged for life at that age if they are doing what they want and are well [pleased with themselves.

    It is unhappily a double standard.

    A young boy having the sex he wants cannot belive his luck. Yet a girl the same age is always expected to say how scarred she is for life.

    There is a difference between being held at knife point for sex, and the funloving stuff I was doing with those my own age when I was 13.

    I can see days coming where 70 year olds are jailed because at the age of eight or nine they played "doctors" with somebody who only years later discovered they had been humiliated and scarred and destroyed.

  • Sol Reform
    Sol Reform

    http://oliviaacole.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/chris-brown-and-a-nation-of-raped-boys/

    Chris Brown and A Nation of Raped Boys

    Yesterday I read an article in which Chris Brown discussed the age at which he lost his virginity. He was 8, he says, and the girl was 14 or 15. He mentions that in “the country” he and his cousins watched a lot of porn, so by age 8 he was “hot to trot.” Maybe so.

    Children can have sexual feelings at 8, but whether they can consent to sex at age 8 is an entirely different subject. Sex at age 8 is rape, especially given the fact that the girl involved was significantly older, a teenager.

    Chris Brown was raped, but to hear him tell it, that experience was positive, healthy. Something to brag about. “At eight, being able to do it, it kind of preps you for the long run, so you can be a beast at it.” And the worst part?

    This isn’t the first time I’ve heard this from a man. I’ve personally dated two men who described these early sexual experiences, and have heard these stories from friends as well. In terms of my former boyfriends, one was seven when he lost his virginity, the other nine. Both saw this as a notch in their tiny, child-like belts.

    The girls in their experiences were teenagers also, so the men seemed to think that this was a testament to their own irresistibility: at eight years old, their sex appeal was so overwhelming, so potent, that teenage girls were compelled to have sex with them. The idea that this was rape—and it was—never crossed their minds. Why?

    Because the same poisonous system that tells women they are rape-able tells men that they are not. We know some of the behavioral signals that occur when girls have been raped. Depression, promiscuity, unexplained anger, anxiety. These are words we use when we describe the ways victims behave.

    It’s interesting that I have seen these same symptoms in young boys—alongside me in class when I was a child, in boyfriends as I got older, in men beside me on the bus in Chicago—yet no one looks at male anger and male promiscuity as symptoms of anything. These are just classic male behaviors. “Boys will be boys,” and boys sleep around. Boys have bad tempers.

    Right? Wrong. What if we have been normalizing male rape victims’ symptoms for centuries? This is not to say that every man has been the victim of sexual abuse, but I know more than a few who have been, and their cries for help—the ones that get such attention when our “ladylike” daughters act out sexually and/or aggressively—went unnoticed, chalked up to a male standard of behavior that not only turns a blind eye to promiscuity but rewards it.

    Can you imagine? Can you imagine being sexually abused and then growing up being told that this is a good thing? That your sexual potency has been enhanced? That rape was a “head-start” into the wonderful world of sex?

    The damaging system that tells girls they are worthless after rape has a disgusting flip side for boys: you have worth now. This violence has made you a god. And we wonder why our boys grow up sex-obsessed, equating violence with pleasure (“be a beast at it”), and imagining that rape is only something that happens to women.

    We wonder why they grow up hating women; women who might look like their abuser, or women who were raped and actually had their violence addressed by a society that believes men are immune from that kind of crime, a crime that when committed against a male goes woefully under-reported. Boys will be boys. And boys can be hurt. We must stop viewing patriarchy as a weapon that wounds only women. To do so silences generations of victims…and often creates more.

    Update 10/08/2013: I just came across this post by Colorlines on this same subject and I encourage you to read it as well.

    Update 10/09/2013: I’ve been told numerous times that I am misinterpreting the phrase ” be a beast at it.” I aware of this and it was done deliberately, as I believe it’s important to acknowledge and understand the role of semantics in patriarchy and rape culture.

  • Sol Reform
    Sol Reform

    http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/10/chris_brown_2.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    A Note About Chris Brown, Rape Culture and Our Ethics

    Photo: Christopher Polk/Getty Images by Akiba Solomon ShareThis | Print | Comment (7) Tuesday, October 8 2013, 10:32 AM EST Tags: Chris Brown , Rape Culture

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    The Guardian recently published a story about Chris Brown that included the news that he’d “lost his virginity” to a teenage girl at age eight. He didn’t admit this fact. Rather, it came in the form of bragging—about his virility at age eight, the pornography he watched with his older cousins at age eight, and the way in which “sex” at age eight primed him to be a “beast at it” now.

    Colorlines.com published an excerpt of this story yesterday to contribute to a continuing conversation on this site about young men, sexual assault and masculinity. It was an overly subtle, incomplete attempt that readers objected to. For example, reader Andrew Bond posted: …As others have noted, this story does nothing productive. There is no conversation around it.

    What happened to the scathing critiques of hyper-masculinity and misogyny as evidenced by the work and personalities of Chris Brown and Lil’ Wayne? And why leave the reader hanging with a brief and unfulfilled comment on sexual assault against young men? Irresponsible all around, and as Mills said, it’s got Gawker or TMZ written all over it. I disagree with Bond that this news should become a jumping-off point to talk about the performed misogyny of Brown and Lil’ Wayne, who has also discussed his sexual activity at a young age.

    But I agree that the sexual assault of young boys deserves more than a passing mention. If Chris Brown were a woman, I doubt if the Guardian or we would have handled this bombshell with so few words. What complicates this discussion for me, however, is the prospect of telling someone in print and in public that they have been raped.

    I’m no mind-reader or therapist, but those protective layers of hypersexuality that swaddle Chris Brown are there for a reason—to maintain the imagined agency of a little boy who was not old enough to consent to sex. To disarm someone—particularly someone as troubled as Brown—without sanctuary feels unethical to me.

    The fact that Brown doesn’t seem to know that he was assaulted doesn’t come as a surprise. It took the FBI 85 years to change the exclusionary definition of forcible rape from “the carnal knowledge of a female, forcibly and against her will” to a male-inclusive one.

    (“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”)

    We’ve had adult males in the public eye school young boys on how to commit sexual assault against young girls and cast it as innocent fun. And rape culture is, of course, one of misogyny. It equates maleness with sexual aggression thus absolving male rapists of their crime and disappearing those males who are victims.

    This culture whispers in our ears that men and boys can’t really be raped by women or girls. To admit to such a violation would suggest femaleness or weakness, which is the worst thing you can be in this sick ecosystem

    . The bottom line here is that Chris Brown was sexually assaulted as a child—legally and practically speaking. We wish that wasn’t the case. If Chris Brown had been a girl, it’s unlikely that the Guardian or we would publish this information without more comment about the admission.

    And it’s unlikely that Brown would refer to what happened to him at age eight as anything but an assault. This is how rape culture does its work—insidiously—until no one, no matter how hard they try, is safe.

  • Glander
    Glander

    When a 13 year old messes with a 5 year old, ( I still call a 5 yr old a baby) it is molestation at the minimum. When it is hidden from the parents by the 13 year olds parents it is a perversion of sickening scale. Even the 5 yr old was told not to talk about it.

    The 13 year old is now grown and has absolutely nothing to say. She is a bitch, hypocrit and would like to tell everybody what's right and wrong.

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