Spirituality versus Religion

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  • Fernando
    Fernando

    There seem to be many ways to explain the difference. The one below seems moderate - even neutral. Your thoughts?

    "First, a word about the distinction between spirituality and religion. On this point, many contemporary scholars have achieved a fair consensus. Spirituality is a broader term than religion (Astrow, Puchalski, & Sulmasy, 2001). Spirituality refers to an individual's or a group's relationship with the transcendent, however that may be construed. Spirituality is about the search for transcendent meaning. Most people express their spirituality in religious practice. Others express their spirituality exclusively in their relationships with nature, music, the arts, or a set of philosophical beliefs or relationships with friends and family. Religion, on the other hand, is a set of beliefs, practices, and language that characterizes a community that is searching for transcendent meaning in a particular way, generally on the basis of belief in a deity. Thus, although not everyone has a religion, everyone who searches for ultimate or transcendent meaning can be said to have a spirituality."

    Taken from page 25 of "A Biopsychosocial-Spiritual Model for the Care of Patients at the End of Life" (link)

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    I've thought about that myself. Religion in my mind means mostly following a bunch of rules and engaging in a bunch of rituals, whereas spirituality is " about the search for transcendent meaning" (ibid), irrespective of creed.

    A religious person can be a right jerk, and religion to me is tied up with being judgemental and dogmatic. Spirituality on the other hand, sees the good and wants to do good.

  • 70wksfyrs
    70wksfyrs

    Julia,

    I like that point you make. Very interesting thank you

    70wks.......

  • jhine
    jhine

    that's why Jesus did not want to start a religion with lots of rules and regs . He just said to follw Him under the guidence of the Holy Spirit . Paul and the others did not want to burden the followers with rules and only made recomendations to help people from different backgrounds get along , So in Acts 15 Paul says he does not want to put yokes on the necks of disciples that they could not bear . The only decissions made were to help the Jewish converts get along with the Gentile converts . Harmony among the brothers (and sisters ) was the main concern .

    I have realised that many ex Witnesses do still associate the yolk of the Watchtower with the word religion , so think of true Christianity as a relationship between you and Yaweh facilitated by Jesus , that is far closer to the TRUTH .

    Jan

  • Terry
    Terry

    The more general a statement is the fewer details there are to differentate and define it specifically.

    Spirituality is probably the most vague way of saying "I'm superstitious" without the negative connotation.

    If you can't link effects and causes with "natural" explanations, proofs, facts and such--some people choose to insert a link without proof and call it God.

    The warm feeling achieved by doing so is Spirituality.

  • paranoia agent
    paranoia agent

    Note that this journal uses the explanations to define spiritualism, not a great word in my opinion considering that by these terms set out on this paper sex is also a form of spiritualism. Transcendent meaning simply means meaning beyond human experience, which there is no scientific evidence for. This paper is not to prove spiritualism but to explain it's philosophical concepts on patiencs and if spiritual needs are necessary for dying patients.

    Also its important to note the criticism that this field has had - biopsychosocial

    "Some critics point out this question of distinction and a question of determination of the roles of illness and disease runs against the growing concept of the patient–medical tradesperson partnership or patient empowerment, as "biopsychosocial" becomes one more disingenuous euphemism for psychosomatic illness. [ 20 ] This may be exploited by medical insurance companies or government welfare departments eager to limit or deny access to medical and social care. [ 21 ]

    Some psychiatrists see the BPS model as flawed, in either formulation or application. Epstein and colleagues describe six conflicting interpretations of what the model might be, and proposes that "...habits of mind may be the missing link between a biopsychosocial intent and clinical reality." [ 22 ] Psychiatrist Hamid Tavakoli argues that the BPS model should be avoided because it unintentionally promotes an artificial distinction between biology and psychology, and merely causes confusion in psychiatric assessments and training programs, and that ultimately it has not helped the cause of trying to destigmatize mental health. [ 23 ]

    Sociologist David Pilgrim suggests that a necessary pragmatism and a form of "mutual tolerance" (Goldie, 1977) has forced a co-existence of perspectives, rather than a genuine "theoretical integration as a shared BPS orthodoxy." [ 24 ] Pilgrim goes on to state that despite "scientific and ethical virtues," the BPS model "...has not been properly realised. It seems to have been pushed into the shadows by a return to medicine and the re-ascendancy of a biomedical model." [ 25 ]

    However, a vocal philosophical critic of the BPS model, psychiatrist Niall McLaren, [ 26 ] writes:

    "Since the collapse of the 19th century models (psychoanalysis, biologism and behaviourism), psychiatrists have been in search of a model that integrates the psyche and the soma. So keen has been their search that they embraced the so-called 'biopsychosocial model' without ever bothering to check its details. If, at any time over the last three decades, they had done so, they would have found it had none. This would have forced them into the embarrassing position of having to acknowledge that modern psychiatry is operating in a theoretical vacuum." [ 27 ]

    The rationale for this theoretical vacuum is outlined in his 1998 paper [ 28 ] and more recently in his books, most notably Humanizing Psychiatrists. [ 29 ] Simply put, the purpose of a scientific model is to see if a scientific theory works and to actualize its logical consequences. In this sense, models are real and their material consequences can be measured, whereas theories are ideas and can no more be measured than daydreams. Model-building separates theories with a future from those that always remain dreams. An example of a true scientific model is longer necked giraffes reach more food, survive at higher rates, and pass on this longer neck trait to their progeny. This is a model (natural selection) of the theory of evolution. Therefore, from an epistemological stance there can be no model of mental disorder without first establishing a theory of the mind. Dr. McLaren does not say that the biopsychosocial model is devoid of merit, just that it does not fit the definition of a scientific model (or theory) and does not "reveal anything that would not be known (implicitly, if not explicitly) to any practitioner of reasonable sensitivity." He states that the biopsychosocial model should be seen in a historical context as bucking against the trend of biological reductionism, which was (and still is) overtaking psychiatry. Engel "has done a very great service to orthodox psychiatry in that he legitimised the concept of talking to people as people." In short, even though it is correct to say that sociology, psychology, and biology are factors in mental illness, simply stating this obvious fact does not make it a model in the scientific sense of the word. [ 26 ] [ 28 ] [ 29 ] [ 30 ]

    The psychiatry professor and author S. Nassir Ghaemi considers Engel's model to be anti-humanistic and advocates the use of less eclectic, less generic, and less vague alternatives, such as William Osler’s medical humanism or Karl Jaspers’ method-based psychiatry. [ 31 ]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopsychosocial_model#Criticism

  • tec
    tec

    Spirituality has been given many different meanings, by many different people, as has been noted above. The word evolves as many words do.

    But spirituality has to do with the spirit. Christ is the Spirit... and faith in Him, and so also in His Father (because to know Christ IS to know God)... is worship... in spirit... and in truth. Christian spirituality. Not christian religion... which is governed by sight, by rules, by men, by doctrines (sets of beliefs, etc), based on man's own reasoning.

    The one with faith in the Spirit (Christ) walks by that faith. He is the spiritual person. And faith is based upon what is heard. Even though some do not recognize that He speaks (at first), they may still recognize and follow the truth that they hear from Him, as well as His call.

    The Spirit and the bride say "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.

    Peace Fernando, and all,

    tammy

  • cofty
    cofty

    I hate the way that the term "spiritual" has hijacked lots of good and healthy facets of being human and pre-packaged them with woo.

    I am the least superstitious person I know but in live in constant wonder of life, the universe and everything. I am moved by music and poetry and art. In that respect I could be said to be profoundly spiritual but I reject the word for the connotations we see above.

  • 70wksfyrs
    70wksfyrs

    cofty

    You said

    I am moved by music and poetry and art.

    Can you see them with arms and legs when they move you? Do they pick you up or push you? Do they move you far away? Are you awake when they move you? Do ghosts move you too?

  • transhuman68
    transhuman68

    Religion is when you are fooled by other people..

    ...Spirituality is when you are fooling yourself.

    You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals
    So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel Mwahahahahahah!

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