Pinker & Wieseltier on scientism

by bohm 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • bohm
    bohm

    Steven Pinker, one of my favorite current thinkers, has given his perspective on "scientism" (or the lack thereof) in what turned out to be a short debate with Leon Wieseltier. The articles contain too many points to summarize here, but Pinker point out some obvious issues with the word "scientism" as it is currently used, discuss what science is (and offer a positive definition of scientism) as well as what he percieve to be an unnecesary resistance towards science from *some* parts of humanities. The articles are quite long but easily the most interesting thing I have read on these subjects this year; they also show what happends when one as Wieseltier bring rethoric to a knife-fight with a first rate intellect.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114127/science-not-enemy-humanities

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114548/leon-wieseltier-responds-steven-pinkers-scientism

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114754/steven-pinker-leon-wieseltier-debate-science-vs-humanities

    An excerpt from the first article on scientism and science:

    The term “scientism” is anything but clear, more of a boo-word than a label for any coherent doctrine. Sometimes it is equated with lunatic positions, such as that “science is all that matters” or that “scientists should be entrusted to solve all problems.” Sometimes it is clarified with adjectives like “simplistic,” “naïve,” and “vulgar.” The definitional vacuum allows me to replicate gay activists’ flaunting of “queer” and appropriate the pejorative for a position I am prepared to defend.

    Scientism, in this good sense, is not the belief that members of the occupational guild called “science” are particularly wise or noble. On the contrary, the defining practices of science, including open debate, peer review, and double-blind methods, are explicitly designed to circumvent the errors and sins to which scientists, being human, are vulnerable. Scientism does not mean that all current scientific hypotheses are true; most new ones are not, since the cycle of conjecture and refutation is the lifeblood of science. It is not an imperialistic drive to occupy the humanities; the promise of science is to enrich and diversify the intellectual tools of humanistic scholarship, not to obliterate them. And it is not the dogma that physical stuff is the only thing that exists. Scientists themselves are immersed in the ethereal medium of information , including the truths of mathematics, the logic of their theories, and the values that guide their enterprise. In this conception, science is of a piece with philosophy, reason, and Enlightenment humanism. It is distinguished by an explicit commitment to two ideals, and it is these that scientism seeks to export to the rest of intellectual life.

    The first is that the world is intelligible . The phenomena we experience may be explained by principles that are more general than the phenomena themselves. These principles may in turn be explained by more fundamental principles, and so on. In making sense of our world, there should be few occasions in which we are forced to concede “It just is” or “It’s magic” or “Because I said so.” The commitment to intelligibility is not a matter of brute faith, but gradually validates itself as more and more of the world becomes explicable in scientific terms. The processes of life, for example, used to be attributed to a mysterious élan vital; now we know they are powered by chemical and physical reactions among complex molecules.

    Demonizers of scientism often confuse intelligibility with a sin called reductionism. But to explain a complex happening in terms of deeper principles is not to discard its richness. No sane thinker would try to explain World War I in the language of physics, chemistry, and biology as opposed to the more perspicuous language of the perceptions and goals of leaders in 1914 Europe. At the same time, a curious person can legitimately ask why human minds are apt to have such perceptions and goals, including the tribalism, overconfidence, and sense of honor that fell into a deadly combination at that historical moment.

    The second ideal is that the acquisition of knowledge is hard . The world does not go out of its way to reveal its workings, and even if it did, our minds are prone to illusions, fallacies, and super- stitions. Most of the traditional causes of belief—faith, revelation, dogma, authority, charisma, conventional wisdom, the invigorating glow of subjective certainty—are generators of error and should be dismissed as sources of knowledge. To understand the world, we must cultivate work-arounds for our cognitive limitations, including skepticism, open debate, formal precision, and empirical tests, often requiring feats of ingenuity. Any movement that calls itself “scientific” but fails to nurture opportunities for the falsification of its own beliefs (most obviously when it murders or imprisons the people who disagree with it) is not a scientific movement.

  • bohm
    bohm

    Btt

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    I havent read through the articles fully yet, but this stood out:

    The second ideal is that the acquisition of knowledge is hard . The world does not go out of its way to reveal its workings, and even if it did, our minds are prone to illusions, fallacies, and super- stitions. Most of the traditional causes of belief—faith, revelation, dogma, authority, charisma, conventional wisdom, the invigorating glow of subjective certainty—are generators of error and should be dismissed as sources of knowledge. To understand the world, we must cultivate work-arounds for our cognitive limitations, including skepticism, open debate, formal precision, and empirical tests, often requiring feats of ingenuity.

    Sounds like everyone here who has been deep in the JW's. It made me think of a side point I feel is very important.

    Let's all act like scientists and not anonymous arrogant internet geniuses. Scientists like the ones in the debate here may disagree strongly with each other, but they don't dismissively call each other names or call each other stupid etc. They argue in a respectful way. They disagree and move on. They dont hate each other. Something I know I can improve on. I said some rude and dismissive things to a few posters. Lost, Brother of the Hawk, TEC, and a few others I know I was not acting very scientist like toward them. I'm still growing through this horrible soul stealing process of leaving.

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  • cofty
    cofty

    Marking thank you

  • Laika
    Laika

    I wish Slim was still here, he would have loved this thread. :(

    Nice post Comatose.

  • Hortensia
    Hortensia

    thanks for sharing, I read all the articles.

    I'll probably have to read them again.

  • EdenOne
    EdenOne

    Very interesting reading - thank you.

    Eden

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    marked

  • bohm
    bohm

    for those looking for the tl;dr version a good writeup is also available from whyevolutionsistrue:

    https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/the-final-round-pinker-vs-wieseltier-on-scientism/

    Excerpt from round article 3 (Steven Pinker)

    The very possibility of a synthetic understanding of human affairs, in which knowledge from the sciences can contribute to the humanities without taking them over, is inconceivable to Wieseltier. Beginning with its tasteless title, his article steadily escalates the paranoia, tilting at the position I explicitly disavow, namely that science is “all there is,” that it is “a sufficient approach to … the human universe,” that the humanities must “submit to the sciences, and be subsumed by them,” that they must be the “handmaiden of the sciences, and dependent upon the sciences for their advance and even their survival,” that a “a scientific explanation, will expose the underlying sameness” and “absorb all the realms into a single realm, into their realm.” If you are a scholar in the humanities, and fear that my essay advocates any of these lunatic positions, I am here to tell you: relax. As I wrote, and firmly believe, “the promise of science is to enrich and diversify the intellectual tools of humanistic scholarship, not to obliterate them.”

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