Satan is the instigator of rebellion to humans, who are naive and innocent.Adam & Eve die within a 1000 yr `s , Satan lives on to threaten the rest of humanity

by smiddy 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    When I reason about these things now I just wonder how stupid and naive I was to accept this rubbish , OK I was 19 and not happy where my life was going back then and jumped at the chance of a better life and future that was offered to me.And it took me another 33 years before started to see the flaws in this bizarre religion . Thankfully my wife & 2 sons are out .

    Satan is a spirit being , Angel ? Do they have a finite life span ? Like humans ? How long was he alive before humans came on the scene.

    Adam and Eve,being ignorant and innocent having a short life on earth , then being tempted and tricked by an angel who obviously has more experience,are subjected to a more severe punishment than the perpretrator of this crime, that affects the future of mankind .

    And you have to face the facts whether you are a beleiver or a non beleiver mankind has suffered these 6000+ years.

    Do you think this is just ?

    smiddy

  • Wasanelder Once
    Wasanelder Once

    Wait, are you saying its not true? Thats almost how long I was buying thier crap. At least I left and took 11 years off before I went back to repent and be a superstar! Free at last! It really is silly, isn't it?

  • quellycatface
    quellycatface

    Flaming 'eck, our kid!!!! That's a bit if a facer. I can see your point, definitely. It does'nt seem fair that Satan was allowed to tempt an innocent human. It did cross my mind when I studied the "What does the Bible Teach" back in March. I nearly said "that was a bit of an unfair advantage" or something such. I can't wait to have this discussion with my husband later. Over a bottle of wine, or two of course.

    TTFN X (ta ta for now)!!!

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    No it makes no sense at all. And the demons, rebellious angels, still get to live forever until they are thrown into Tartarus. Meantime all offspring of Adam and Eve are genetically flawed and inherit imperfection and death. So if genetic imperfection is connected with moral sin then how come serial killers don't naturally have more DNA damage and die sooner? Instead we see the morally innocent such as children die young while gross sinners live long healthy lives.

  • designs
    designs

    Judaism and Christianity are very different on the subject of satan or the devil. Christianity seems to acknowldege that its God lost control of an angel and all hell broke lose while Judaism sees the devil as a sort of yin and yang feature to describe human's inner struggles.

  • adamah
    adamah

    Smiddy said-

    Adam and Eve,being ignorant and innocent having a short life on earth, then being tempted and tricked by an angel who obviously has more experience, are subjected to a more severe punishment than the perpretrator of this crime, that affects the future of mankind.....Do you think this is just?

    (sarcasm lock on)

    Sure, it seems perfectly reasonable to let the superior being who challenged God's authority to remain free on bail for the past 6,000 yrs so he can be allowed to perpetuate his crimes while on bail, since after all, Satan DID raise the question as to whether he was a better ruler of the Universe than God, since apparently no other being had EVER thought of the issue before. Supposedly this period is also the trial, during which everyone can see just who the better ruler of the Universe is (although God always intervenes on the trial, and tampers with the jury by relying on extortion, etc).

    (sarcasm lock off)

    Xian theology is absurdly silly logic, and that's what results when Judaism was syncretised with Zoroasterian beliefs: Xianity.

    As Designs said, the beliefs in Judaism as they existed before the insertion of Persian influences during the post-exilic period (circa 500 BCE) didn't view Satan as a prototypical archenemy of Jehovah, but rather, Satan was as a member of Team Jehovah, as a member of the Divine Counsil: you can see it most clearly in the story of Job, where Satan was seen as the agent who roamed the Earth long AFTER Adam and Eve had sinned, where Satan was appointed by God to test humans. Only later did Satan become God's chief enemy, the head of the opposition team.

    That later interpretation required the re-interpretation of Adam and Eve's serpent as Satan, when Jews had never read the account as the serpent as symbolizing Satan; they interpreted the story about a disruption of the 'pecking order' instituted by God, with God>man>woman>animal>plants. The serpent was a clever animal who tipped the apple cart over, by coercing the women (who coerced the man) to disobey God. The serpent was punished, and that's where it ended, since it explained why death occurred, how snakes lost their legs, etc.

    Xians later inserted the interpretation of Satan = serpent to support their desired reading of Genesis 3 which was more consistent with the Divine Authority issue (which is found in intertestamental literature, written between the OT and NT writings).

    Adam

  • caroline77
    caroline77

    I have never believed that Satan was a fallen angel. A JW told me that Satan was God's first son.

    If they believe that Satan was God's son they must also believe that God has not brought up his son very well, and has no respect from his own family. Even worse, they believe that God has sent his problem son here to mess up things for us. It does not make sense.

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