Are neck ties no longer needed in field service? Check out the top photo on jw.org! . . Petra
Are Neck Ties going to be a thing of the past for field service?
by Atlantis 8 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Atlantis
It is probably for just some areas of territory.
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If you scroll really far down on this link the JWs are having a discussion about it.
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Petra
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Julia Orwell
Probably. About bloody time! I used to live in tropical Australia and currently live in subtropical Australia. Ties kill the guys in summer, especially up north.maybe they realise they can keep the men out longer if they give up the ties.
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Pistoff
The real reason for this is the apalling tie choices most JW men make; apparently the GB has seen the ties, and has opted for no ties.
Among the culprits:
The ice cream cone tie.
The blinking tie.
The tie with the graphics from "What will Happen in 1975?" Awake
and the worst offender:
Jerry Garcia ties.
2nd reason for the change:
Most of the growth for the WT in the US is south of the Mason-Dixon line; in a 2009 poll, not one man south of the line could tie a Windsor or a half Windsor, and had resorted to clip on ties.
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WTWizard
It might be, until the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger decides to crack down on it. Such as whining that the jokehovians are just not as "dressed up" as they used to be, and wanting to go back to the old times. At which point, they will put out a washtowel article about how "Satan is infiltrating the organization and loosening the standards". Then, hounders will start cracking down on it. And there will always be that hounder that insists "Not in MY congregation" with tie-free field circus.
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CaptainSchmideo
This reminded me of an Awake article from 1996:
*** g96 5/8 p. 31 Who Invented the Necktie? ***
Who Invented the Necktie?
BY AWAKE! CORRESPONDENT IN GERMANY
AROUND the world some 600 million men wear them regularly. In Germany the average man owns about 20 neckties. Many a man has wondered with some irritation, while putting on a necktie, ‘Whose idea was this, anyway?’ Where did the tie originate?
Steenkerke, a town in Belgium, claims the honor of having “invented” the necktie. In 1692, English forces made a surprise attack on French troops stationed there. According to the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung, “the [French] officers had no time to dress correctly. But without ado, they tied their uniform scarves around the neck with a loose knot and pushed the ends through the buttonholes of their jacket. Voilà, the birth of the necktie in its original form.”
However, the soldiers’ fashion novelty was not exactly unprecedented. Experts on the history of neckties point out that centuries earlier, warriors for the Chinese emperor Cheng (Shih Huang Ti) wore a scarflike cloth folded around the neck, indicating their rank.
Perhaps the most famous, though, were the scarves worn by Croatians fighting for King Louis XIV of France. During a victory parade in Paris, the French were so taken by the Croatians’ scarves that they called them cravates, from Cravate, a Croat, and began wearing the scarves as well. “From then on,” writes the aforementioned newspaper, “there was no stopping necktie fashions, although the soldiers in Steenkerke were the first to make the scarf into a knotted tie.”
During the French Revolution (1789-99), a man would indicate his political inclination by the color of the “croat,” or scarf, around his neck. In the 19th century, elegant European society “discovered” this form of attire. It was then that the cravat was elevated from the military and political arena and entered the wardrobe of the male population at large. Today the necktie is more than accepted in many societies worldwide; in certain settings, it is even mandatory.
Then, there was a response in the "letters" column a few weeks later:*** g97 2/8 p. 30 From Our Readers ***
J. P. A., Brazil
Neckties Thank you so much for the article “Who Invented the Necktie?” (May 8, 1996) As a minister of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I have worn a necktie in 90-degree [30°C]-plus heat while engaging in the door-to-door preaching work. I have often theorized that the necktie must have been invented by some cruel 13th-century inquisitor who in order to wring a confession from a heretic threatened him with either the rack, thumbscrews, being boiled in oil, or wearing a necktie on a summer afternoon.
W. B., United States
Some may feel that wearing a tie is torture in any weather. Commendably, though, in cultures where a necktie is considered proper attire, Jehovah’s Witnesses generally put up with the inconvenience of wearing a tie while engaging in the ministry and while attending Christian meetings.—ED.
I was really amazed that 1) Someone would subtly criticize the necktie policy by writing such a letter, and 2) That the Awake editors actually published the letter.
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Poztate
Maybe they finnaly read this post of mine from 8 years ago and saw the NU-LITE
I found this information shocking I plan on forwarding it to the GB.They will put a stop to this practice.
For over two thousand years - since at least the Quin dynasty - the necktie (or cravat) has been the most widely used, and the most multicultural of all phallic symbols . Worn by the personal guard of Shih Huang Ti's terracotta army, by the orators of ancient Rome, and by a succession of dandies, fops, and power dressers throughout history, "the clothe prick" (As Lord Byron was said to have termed it) appears to be nearing the end of its unprecedented accessorial reign. The president of IBM, in a recent e-mail, announced that the cravat was no longer de rigueur for the once impeccably-tied "wing-tip warriors" of the giant multinational. Gianni Versace's latest book Men Without Ties is a runaway success. And now, at the most progressive corporations of New York, Paris, and London, it is quite permissible for men to appear dressed for business with no trace of silk, rayon, or polyester about their necks. What has come undone? Why, after an unprecedented two-thousand year reign, has the most useless, and yet the most fussed over, element of male attire gradually begun to whither in importance?
In 1900, in The Interpretation of Dreams, Sigmund Freud felt the urge to elucidate another aspect of the necktie's symbology. He wrote: "In men's dreams a necktie often appears as a symbol for the penis. No doubt this because neckties are long, dependent objects and peculiar to men. Men who make use of this symbol in dreams are often very extravagant in ties in real life and own whole collections of them." No doubt Freud was only making explicit what had been at the back of everybody's mind for quite some time, and yet his overt analysis did nothing to check the necktie's popularity. In fact, perhaps envious of such a ubiquitous form of menswear, sporting women began to wear the hanging thing. It was reasoned that a staid and well-tied male fashion accessory around the neck would counterbalance the evident feminine provocativeness of knickerbocker suits, Norfolk bodices and culotte skirts which women were beginning to wear in order to indulge in sports such as horseback riding, skating, sailing, and playing tennis.
The generation that began experimenting with neckwear in the 'fifties continued to develop their tastes in the sixties, with the Beats, the Mods, and the Regency Revivalists all taking up fantastically different and varied neckwear styles. Lord Lichfield, the dandy Royal photographer, even went to the extreme of reviving the Incroyable cravat with a huge bow. Said Lichfield: "A man doesn't dress for himself. He dresses to attract the girls.... I have an idea all men dress to be sexy like cock pheasants in the mating season."
French/American linguist and semiotician Dr Christine Nivet is more concerned about the changing phallic role of ties: "Anglophone culture is sexually very repressive, so it is not all that surprising that it spawned such a regimented symbol for virility. As Anglophone women are moving away from neo-puritan feminist ideologies, and the Anglophone men are becoming much less control-oriented, the necktie is undergoing a kind of parallel crisis. We see that the men of Versace's Men Without Ties have an ambiguous sexuality, while at the same time being quite confident. Now, in America, one can sell a perfume for men. This could not be done five years ago, just as businessman could not appear efficacious without a great big dangling tie. Anglophone men are becoming more sure, and less in need of a big display of themselves. For their part, Anglophone women are becoming more seductive, so men do not feel that they have to project their maleness all the time."
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DesirousOfChange
It appears to have been removed from their homepage.
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