More obvious reasons why Jesus never took up Kingdom rule in 1914

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  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    The Society has long taught that the immense, heaven-reaching, majestic tree of Daniel 4 that it says represents God’s rulership over the earth was cut down in 607BCE, but that the copper band around the tree stump was unbanded in 1914CE when it says the kingdom was born and Jesus began to rule.

    Matthew 13: 31 - He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens is like a mustard grain that a man took and planted in his field.+ 32 It is, in fact, the tiniest of all the seeds, but when it has grown, it is the largest of the vegetable plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of heaven come and find lodging among its branches.”

    Notice the similarity of Jesus’ words above with the description of the majestic tree of at Daniel 4. There is even a cross-reference at Matthew 13:32 to Daniel 4 in the New World Translation.

    Jesus is here comparing the kingdom of heaven to a tree that would have a tiny beginning as a seed but would grow bigger than all the other vegetation. Tree seeds take a long time to grow, and so do unbanded tree stumps.

    If the tree of Daniel 4 was unbanded in 1914, did it instantly grow back into a giant, majestic tree over night? No, it would take a long time for it to regrow to it’s former height and glory. Logically, the tree of Daniel 4 if unbanded in 1914 would not represent the kingdom of God until it had re-grown slowly until eventually attaining it’s former height and glory.

    The tree in Daniel 4 was an immense, majestic, heaven-high tree when it was cut down. It provided food for everyone on earth. But in 1914 when unbanded it was just a lowly stump. It would take time to regrow and reach it’s former glory. Is it reasonable to liken the son of man taking up kingdom rule in 1914 with that of a tree-stump? Daniel 7 says that when the son of man was given rulership, he was also given “dignity”. Being likened to a tree-stump is hardly very dignified.

    Think also about Revelation 12. There it describes the birth of a baby, a male son. The JW’s say that the birth of this baby means the birth of the Kingdom in heaven in 1914. Similar to the point above about the unbanded tree stump, is it sensible to compare the dignified coronation of the newly enthroned King, Jesus Christ, and birth of his kingdom with the birth of a helpless baby who must be whisked away to safety for fear of being devoured by the dragon? Hardly.

    Revelation 12: “1. Then a great sign was seen in heaven: A woman was arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of 12 stars, 2 and she was pregnant. And she was crying out in her pains and in her agony to give birth. 3 Another sign was seen in heaven. Look! A great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and on its heads seven diadems; 4 and its tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth. And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she did give birth, it might devour her child. 5 And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was snatched away to God and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days.

    Babies take a long time to reach full maturity. Same with an unbanded tree stump that starts to regrow. Using this reasoning, scriptural logic dictates that the enthronement of Jesus as King could not have occurred in 1914.

  • prologos
    prologos

    WT writers have a fall-back as outlined in your text yadda Yadda,

    the tree will see a RE-GENERATION, with many OVERLAPPING year-rings. it was not capped, just banded.

    The baby born in 1914 has already seen many overlapping Generations coming and coming and gone.

    it is a wild tale about the snatch in the wilderness.

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    Its also good to bring out Matt.28:18 and Eph. 1:20-23 of course the JW will then say 'no hes just talking about him being head of the congregation and he has to wait until his father puts his enemies at his feet', they may even bring up Hebrews chapter 1 to try to confirm this, but then all you have to do is turn over to 1 corinthians chapter 15:24-25,28 where it clearly states christ is king. I also noticed another verse confirming this in Rev.1:5, here it says he is ruler of the kings of the earth. I just love blowing up JW dogma using just the bible. LOL

  • kaik
    kaik

    Since early age, I was always doubtfull about 1914 as date pulled from someone else ass. It did not make whatsoever sense from reading various passages of the Bible. Invisible, thus inverifable presense, no eye had seen it, yet FDS could sense it, etc.

    The Finished Mystery says:

    The year 1914 brought the end of the Times of the Gentiles, but not the end of the Harvest work.

    It was not first and last European conflict (30 Years War, 7 Years War, Napoleonic Wars, and WWII). The Finished Mystery continues:

    Forty days after Christ's resurrection His ascension occurred. This confirms the hope of the Church's glorification forty years (a year for a day) after the awakening of the sleeping saints in the Spring of 1878. The seven days before the Deluge may represent seven years, from 1914 to 1921, in the midst of which "week of years" the last members of the Messiah pass beyond the veil.

    Also what many do not see is that real start of Jewish diaspora started in 135AD after Third Jewish War, in which Jews were banned from entering Jerusalem. The destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD did not put pagan worship there, it started in 135AD. The Finished Mystery predicted something on this in 1917 saying that it will happen in 1980 [It is possible that A.D. 1980 marks the gathering of all Fleshly Israel from their captivity in death]. JW also claimed that French Revolution:

    In fact, the French Revolution seems referred to by our Lord in His Revelation to John on Patmos as a prelude to, and an illustration of, the great crisis now approaching...

    However, 100 years ago, they wrote that Beginning of End started in 1799 when:

    Twelve hundred sixty years from 539 A. D. brings us to 1799, another proof that 1799 defitely marks the begining of "the time of the end". This also shows that it is from the date 539 A.D. that the other prophetic days of Daniel must be counted. [The Harp of God]

    Either way, for WT, you can pick any significant year in the history of humanity and they will model their prediction upon this. Once the year moves too far into history, then they pick another significant date. 225 years after the start of the French Revolution, 100 years after the start of the Great War, they running out of good date. The WT will eventually select another date that they can model another prophecies around it and count various horns, heads, and who knows what to fit Daniel and Revelation books.

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Additional references regarding when Jesus began his rule, compare here (various verses concerning when Jesus began his rule), and here (parousia), and here (re "The Kingdom of God/Heaven has drawn near"), and here (re Ps 2:7).

  • EdenOne
    EdenOne

    The tree of Daniel 4 is simply meant to represent Nabuchadnezzar's reign. I don't know why people make such a fuss about it.

    Eden

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    I don't think Daniel saw any relation between the dream and things having to do with God:

    • (Daniel 4:19) . . .“Bel·te·shaz′zar [i.e. Daniel] was answering and saying, ‘O my lord [i.e. Nebuchadnezzar], may the dream [apply] to those hating you, and its interpretation to your adversaries.

    In the Daniel 4 account there is more similarity between Nebuchadnezzar and Satan than between him and Jesus. Compare this attitude:

    • (Daniel 4:29, 30) . . .At the end of twelve lunar months [Nebuchadnezzar] happened to be walking upon the royal palace of Babylon. 30 The king was answering and saying: “Is not this Babylon the Great, that I myself have built for the royal house with the strength of my might and for the dignity of my majesty?”

    with:

    • (Luke 4:5, 6) . . .So [Satan] brought [Jesus] up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6 and the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    The biggest reason and perhaps the most obvious why Jesus never returned in 1914

    is that nothing has happened to support "this generation" actually occurred in the 20th century

    and is also the reason the WTS. will in the near future drop the 1914 doctrine altogether.

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    The exploitive commercialization of the return of Jesus was probably the biggest commercial success

    in proliferation for this religious publishing house to undertake, helping to sell millions of diverse pieces of

    literature for numerous decades.

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    When one contemplates retrospectively, it was also the reason why the WTS. once proclaimed that Jesus

    returned in 1874 .

    Thats freedom of religion in America folks take it or leave it.

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    John was told not to seal up the visions he had and wrote about in the book of Revelations because these things were about to happen and quickly take place. Unlike Daniel which was told to seal them up for the future.. Draw your own conclusions to this.....

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