John 14:13 I fail to see it worked

by punkofnice 6 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  punkofnice

  John 14:13

  And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. KJV

  I'll do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. ISV

  OK. Now that says what it says and I was lead to believe that as a Christian that Jesus would grant me my requests. Now when I was a Xtian I figured that I couldn't ask Jesus for a lotto win but rather I could ask for things that I needed that weren't totally selfish or meant the control of others but rather could be beneficial all around.

  I figured this narrowed it down. I prayed for good things.

  Nothing happened.

  Not a thing.

  There was no evidence that Jesus was listening let alone made good on the promise written down in John 14:13.

  So....................now I await varied viewpoints.

  When I was a Xtian my viewpoint was that Jesus had something better in mind. When my prayers, earnest that they were, were not answered I concluded the scripture might mean something else (Ugh, what a delusional twat I was), Well that's odd, he ended up making me an atheist...how's that for an own goal sky daddy? You obviously are manipulating my soul to hell against my will!

  Or Jesus and old sky daddy don't exist.
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  new hope and happiness

  So your prayers wernt answerd and " the father wadnt glorified in the son"

  Then i assume your prayers not being answerd bought reproach on the fathers name?

  Now bringing reproach " on the fathers name" is a big NO NO with witnesses, and i remember they got around it by saying the prayer had to be according to Jehovers will. It kind of restricted what was acceptable to pray about.
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  yadda yadda 2

  Answering prayers is a form of divine intervention. God is acting on the praying persons mind or heart or altering circumstances or whatever. ITS INTERVENTION.

  YET Christian apologists say God currently isn't intervening to mitigate pointless evil and suffering as it supposedly messes up our free will and we would be robots otherwise. That's the standard Christian theodicy.

  
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  Phizzy

  "YET Christian apologists say God currently isn't intervening to mitigate pointless evil and suffering as it supposedly messes up our free will and we would be robots otherwise. That's the standard Christian theodicy."

  If He will not intervene in those huge problems, because it will mess up our free will, surely to do small stuff for us personally does exactly the same thing, so God/Jesus will not do them.

  So, xtians, what is the point of praying ?
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  punkofnice

  NH&H - You've put it better than me. God has screwed himself by making promises he/she/it/they can't keep.

  Yadda 2 - Intervention. Yes...that's was the word I needed.

  Phizzy - Indeed....what is the use of prayer? That wa another thread that ended up showing what a turd god would be if it/she/they/him existed.
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  DeWandelaar

  What do you think about this verse of Paul? (ephesians 5:29):

  29 For no o ne ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church

  Yeah right... tell that to all the people who hated their life so much they actually killed themselves...
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  punkofnice

  DeW - This convinces me that the bible is just a load of fables and fairy stories written by man.

  The promises in the Bible are empty and void.........none will ever come true.