More advise needed, please.

by Crazyguy 5 Replies latest jw friends

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  Crazyguy

  Ok just an update but i was able to rescind my DA letter and the elders after meeting with me, took my excuse and encouraged me to rejoin the congregation. I would love to share with you the theocratic warfare strategy i used to explain away my DA letter but that may identify me to easily. But any way they could of really put me over the coals on one area of the letter which was changed a bit from the one I posted her so that makes me think these guys really want me back then gone. Probably because i have a large family and they don't want to loose those as well.

  So here is my dilema, part of me never wanted to DA but just fade but did so when I thought they were going to DF. So now I have faded for almost a year going to only a handful of meetings that last one just to see one of my kids give a talk. Do I go back and go to maybe half the meetings a month so as to look like I'm back in and then through this strategy use me being there and hearing what's being said as a way to drop little seeds to help my kids wake up. Then to all the while having a weekly bible study going over topics again to plant seed to wake the kids. Or do I just not go at all since my family is pretty much believe I'm done with this religion anyway?? My thoughts about going back is that it seems as though I have been marginalized spiritually and thats the way it will continue if I don't go back. Even when I talk with my wife about having a bible study once a week a while ago she wanted to fight over which bible to use since the JW bible is the only one that counts in her mind. Also the congregation is pretty hands on with my kids, some of the younger brother taking the lead to help my boys with a bible study and service etc. These hands on crap will make it harder for me I believe.

  Or is it better to wait and not go hoping over time some of the kids will see something and then see that i don't go and this way they come ask me questions or just not going at all the kids see me marginalizing the religion. Not sure which way to go, what works best?????
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  objectivetruth

  Hey Brother,

  2 Corinthians 11: But if others act boldly—I am talking unreasonably—I too act boldly. 22 Are they Hebrews? I am one also. Are they Israelites? I am one also. Are they Abraham’s offspring? I am also. 23 Are they ministers of Christ? I reply like a madman, I am more outstandingly one: I have done more work, been imprisoned more often, suffered countless beatings, and experienced many near-deaths. 24 Five times I received 40 strokes less one from the Jews, 25 three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I experienced shipwreck, a night and a day I have spent in the open sea; 26 in journeys often, in dangers from rivers, in dangers from robbers, in dangers from my own people, in dangers from the nations, in dangers in the city, in dangers in the wilderness, in dangers at sea, in dangers among false brothers,27 in labor and toil, in sleepless nights often, in hunger and thirst, frequently without food, in cold and lacking clothing. 28 Besides those things of an external kind, there is what rushes in on me from day to day: the anxiety for all the congregations. 29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is stumbled, and I am not incensed? 30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, the One who is to be praised forever, knows I am not lying.

  2 Corinthians 6:7.. - 7 by truthful speech, by God’s power; through the weapons of righteousness in the right hand and in the left, 8 through glory and dishonor, through bad report and good report. We are regarded as deceivers and yet we are truthful.

  Matthew 5:11 - “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.

  I'll read some of your past posts, to get a better idea of your situation. The above scriptures have really helped me make tough decisions like yours.
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  ruderedhead

  It sounds like you may have a fairly well thought out strategy for tyring to get your kids out of the cult, crazyguy.

  Going back to some of the meetings so you can slowly plant seeds of doubt in your children & family may be the way to go, especially since 1. You've gone to the trouble to take back your DA, & 2. There are men in the congregation taking your children under their wing. NOT GOOD!! They will absolutely have an influence on them.

  Can you gently & respectfully assert your headship with your wife, taking the lead in Bible studies? Since the witnesses tell people it doesn't matter which Bible they use when studying with them, why not use that line of reasoning? Use just 1 different one in addition to the NWT, explaining to her you need to know what they say when speaking in the d2d. If you use one written in modern day english, that may make it easier.

  I hope this works out for you. I know it will probably take a while, but it will be so worth it to get the kids out. Please keep us posted.
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  ABibleStudent

  Hi Crazyguy, You are in a no win situation. That sucks for you.

  IMHO you need to be true to yourself, because no matter what you will be stuck with your decision(s). I would recommend that you tell your wife that you are a Christian and therefore when there is conflict between following the teachings and examples of Jesus Christ and the WTBTS, you will follow Jesus Christ. If your wife disagrees with you, ask her to prove with any Bible that Jesus Christ condons shunning and not associating with non-believers, conditional love, hypocrisy, etc.

  MT 22:34-40 should be able to help your wife to interpret the scriptures. MT 22: 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ [c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. Hopefully, your wife will notice that the greatest commandment does not say blindly follow the GB. It says with "ALL" your heart, soul, and mind.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  smiddy

  What about the parable of the prodigal son , did he have to sit at the back of a barn for a year until he was approved as a son of good standing ? proving he was worthy of joining his fathers household again ?

  Are christians followers of jesus ? or disciples of jesus .

  When one conflicts with the other , who do you follow jesus ? or the disciples ? ( who we know gets it wrong )

  Who of you sinners is prepared to cast the first stone against a sinner ? and nobody did.

  smiddy
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  Tiktaalik

  Here's some advice for you:

  Advise is a verb.

  Advice is a noun.

  Advice is what you give to someone when you advise them.

  Got it?