New Blood Policy or A Lie ?

by thinker 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • thinker
    thinker

    {Sworn testimony submitted by the Society in evidence before the European Human Rights Commission Jul 3 1997}

    The applicant association (Watchtower Society) was represented by MM. Alain Garay, Philippe
    Goni and Michel de Guillenchmidt, avocats à la Cour, Paris, France, and
    by Mr. Lioubomir Kioutchokov, founding member of the applicant
    association.
    In respect of the refusal of blood transfusion, the applicant (Watchtower Society) association submits that while this is part of the religious doctrine
    of Jehovah's Witnesses, its acceptance depends on the personal choice
    of the individual concerned. There are no religious sanctions for a
    Jehovah's Witness who chooses to accept blood transfusion. Therefore,
    the fact that the religious doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses is against
    blood transfusion cannot amount to a threat to "public health", every
    individual being free in his or her choice.

    http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/hudoc/ViewRoot.asp?Item=1&Action=Html&X=217143008&Notice=0&Noticemode=&RelatedMode=0

    My Question:

    Is this?
    1) An outright lie (perjury since it was sworn testimony)by a designated Watchtower representative
    2) A new policy just for Bulgarian JW's
    3) A new policy for ALL JW's

  • JT
    JT

    WHILE you are correct it is a lie in everyday terms
    but this reply is not meant for everyday terms

    it is in a legal context

    it shows clearly how slick the wt lawyers are

    in the next few yrs you will see more issue shift from Dfing status to DAing status and more issues will move to a "CONSCIENCE MATTER" STATUS

    NOTICE they state no sanctions- and they are right- in most settting sactions require some active actions on the part of some authority body --=-JUDICAL COMMITTEE- but the legal desk has help the service desk get the same results- A PERSON BEING SHUNNED- without the need of any action on the part of the wt or it's reps the elders

    so in a legal context they are correct, but in terms of the real world the jw will get the shaft-

    this is just and example of what makes the wt so dnagerious

    ck out their answer on thier website to ARE JW THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL BE SAVED

    it is an Excellent pc of Lawyering-- smile

    just my 2

    JT

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    must be a blood drive on at the moment, they're going on at WOL about the new *medical directive cards* (think thats the term used)new light says that blood cards are out,
    nelly

  • trevor
    trevor

    For some time it was unclear whether a Witness was allowed to have his or her own blood stored before an operation and then transfused as needed. This matter was clarified ten months into this new century:

    "In the light of Bible commands about the proper use of blood, how do Jehovah's Witnesses view medical procedures using one's own blood?"

    " Blood is not to be stored: it is to be poured out - returned to God, as it were. Granted, the Mosaic law is not in force now. Nevertheless, Jehovah's Witnesses respect the principles God included in it, and they are determined to 'abstain from blood.' Hence we do not donate blood, nor do we store for transfusion our blood that should be 'poured out.' That practice conflicts with God's law." (Watchtower - 15 October 2000 - Pages 30,31)

    The article goes on to explain that in procedures such as hemodilution in which the blood leaves the patient's body and flows back would be up to the individual's conscience. The same would apply to allowing the blood to flow through a machine before returning. More difficult is the idea of having blood taken for a sample and then stored. How is this any different from storing one's own blood for an operation, the practice of which has been outlawed by the Society?

    Most Witnesses will accept the use of cardio-pulmonary bypass, dialysis, intra-operative blood salvage, and re-infusion. As modern science advances and more treatments become available, many members will no doubt find it difficult to work it all out and are likely to find themselves trying to do so when they are ill.

    To add to the confusion is the situation that has developed in Bulgaria. With the increase in attention to human rights there is growing concern regarding the Watchtower Society's ban on blood transfusions. Few Witnesses are aware of the 1998 case between the Watchtower Society and the Bulgarian government. To settle the case, they signed a legally binding document giving Witnesses freedom of choice regarding blood transfusions. In the statement that follows the applicant is the Watchtower Society:

    "The applicant undertook with regard to its stance on blood transfusions to draft a statement for inclusion in its statute providing that members should have free choice in the matter for themselves and their children, without any control or sanction on the part of the association." (Applicant No 28626/95)

    Are the Witnesses abiding by this Bulgarian undertaking or covertly undermining the promised freedom of choice? Will this ruling become worldwide or will the Witnesses in Bulgaria be treated differently to the others?

    They have not always ruled that blood transfusions are wrong. At one time, the Society ruled that vaccinations and organ transplants were wrong but later changed their mind. Recently the Society informed all elders that those members who accepted a blood transfusion were not to be automatically disfellowshipped. This change of policy was not made known to the ordinary members. This change may well have been the result of pressure to conform to the legal requirements of The Human Rights Act.

    Until recently the Society had insisted that the use of all blood parts such as red or white cells including hemoglobin, plasma and platelets were also banned. To accept any such treatments was the same as having a transfusion. This ruling was based on the Biblical admonition to "abstain from blood." Now they have decided that some of these blood parts can be used!

    Members in the USA are expected to fill in a "Durable Power of Attorney" and distribute this legal document to friends, relatives and their doctor so that in the case of an accident, the hospital would know that they were not to give the injured person a blood transfusion.

    On 1 December 2000, elders in the USA were informed in writing by the Society that in line with articles appearing in both 15 June 2000 and 15 October 2000 Watchtower magazines, the DPA forms had been amended to allow members to accept the previously forbidden fractionated blood parts.

    Using the name Lee Elder, the founder of AJWRB, a group that has been set up to determine the feelings of Witnesses regarding the ban on blood, stated the following:

    " Even more significant is this further comment from the Watchtower Society: "only a small percentage of the brothers have filled out the Society's DPA form." This recent statement from the Watchtower Society is very important in that it shows that level of commitment to the Watchtower Society policy is very small. If a Jehovah's Witness is unconscious and exsanguinating and no DPA can be presented, I believe a very strong argument exists that the person is not committed to the Watchtower Society policy. Especially in light of this recent disclosure by the Watchtower Society, which reveals dwindling support for its partial blood policy. It is also noteworthy that nearly a year after ceasing its policy of disfellowshiping Jehovah's Witnesses who accept blood or the blood products that are still forbidden; the Watchtower Society has never informed the general membership of the change. Only the congregation elders have been informed to date." (www.ajwrb.org)

    One elder, writing under the pseudonym Mr Shilmer, to avoid disciplinary action has asked the Watchtower's head office to justify this turn-around and clarify the position. A copy of his letter was sent to The Regional Ethics Council in Portland USA. A reply was received from Dr. Osamu Muramoto, which reads in part:

    "I appreciate Mr. Shilmer's comment as an active Witness elder. Compared with Mr. Bartlett's letter, the opinions of Mr.Shilmer and Mr. Elder testify how diverse the views are on this issue among Jehovah's Witnesses. Since Mr. Shilmer raised the question of partial abstinence from blood, I would like to add one example to show how the new WTS blood policy is NOT abstaining from blood.

    As I stated in this paper, and as clearly stated in the new version of the Durable Power of Attorney form printed by the WTS and distributed to the JWs in the United States last week, the new policy allows JWs to accept "all fractions" of "any primary component." The WTS has emphasized in its literature that those "fractions" are "small" and therefore acceptable.

    When I ask JWs why those "fractions" are acceptable, most would reply, "because they are tiny fractions." Under this new policy, the most important "fraction" JWs are now permitted to accept is hemoglobin-based blood substitutes, which had been prohibited until recently. How "small" is hemoglobin as a fraction of the blood? Let me quote a simple sentence from a college- level anatomy textbook: "Discounting its water content, an erythrocyte [red blood cells, which WTS determined unacceptable] is over 97% hemoglobin, the molecule that binds to and transports respiratory gasses." (Reference 1. Marieb E. Human anatomy and physiology. 4th ed. Menlo Park, CA:Addison Wesley Longman Inc; 1998:630)

    "If God commands to abstain from red blood cells, as the WTS teaches, why does the WTS also teach that accepting 97% of what God prohibits does not violate God's command?" (US spelling)
    As the Society have changed their mind on so many other verses of scripture, and applied the scriptures on this matter in so many different ways, perhaps they will change their mind on this issue completely. If they do, it will be of no comfort to the relatives of those who have died as a result of their ruling.
    More critically for the Society, these changes further undermine their claim that they have been appointed by holy spirit to dispense accurate knowledge which they insist the members eternal lives depend upon. By making the Bible's comments on the use of animal blood into a law regarding the life-saving use of human blood, have they carried out their "duty of care" towards the present lives of their members?

    Trevor

  • JT
    JT

    Trevor

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    you have hit the nail on the head- due ot their ever shifting blood polices more Drs will see that this policy lacks biblical or a sound medical basis esp when the Writing Dept has the ability to split blood into ACCEPTABLE AND UNACCEPTABLE PARTS and offer no Scriptual reason beyond:

    "Cause the Society says so"

    smile

    great post

    my man

    JT

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Trevor,

    I liked your post very much, especially the last paragraph. May I add a couple of words to make the contrast stand out even a bit more?

    "More critically for the Society, these changes further undermine their claim that they have been appointed by holy spirit to dispense accurate knowledge which they insist the members eternal lives depend upon. By making the Bible's comments on the ceremonial and symbolic use of animal blood into a law regarding the life-saving use of human blood, have they carried out their "duty of care" towards the present lives of their members?"

    Good stuff!

    also..

    " Blood is not to be stored: it is to be poured out - returned to God, as it were. Granted, the Mosaic law is not in force now. Nevertheless, Jehovah's Witnesses respect the principles God included in it, and they are determined to 'abstain from blood.' Hence we do not donate blood, nor do we store for transfusion our blood that should be 'poured out.' That practice conflicts with God's law." (Watchtower - 15 October 2000 - Pages 30,31)

    So which is it, you *$ing puppeteers, the actions, or the principles????

  • Gozz
    Gozz

    Trevor,
    thanks for the info. It is a;ways enlighteneing to see the reaction when a JW is asked why they would accept products - say albumin - from blodd donated by others while they wouldn't allow theirs to be stored or processed. It's a question of the morality of the stance on blood. May be many haven't thought about it.

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