GREAT SHORT VIDEO, IT USES PLAIN OLD COMMON SENSE!
Conversation with a JW on the 144,000!
by ADJUSTMENTS 7 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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designs
Stupid.
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The Searcher
Being Devil's Advocate - there are 24 occasions of the term "a great crowd" in the Bible.
Can heaven itself not have "a great crowd" just as the earth would?
Also, regarding the first Great Crowd quoted in the video, from Revelation 7:15-17 - "That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat, because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes" - clearly harmonise with those persons (not spirits in heaven!) described in Revelation 21:3,4.
God's "temple' -
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4: "the man of lawlessness.........is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called "god" or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly (not in heaven) showing himself to be a god."
(Ephesians 2:19-22) "Certainly, therefore, YOU are no longer strangers and alien residents, but YOU are fellow citizens of the holy ones and are members of the household of God, and YOU have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone. In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah. In union with him YOU, too, are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit."
The 'tent' of God is with MANKIND - not with spirits.
Fountains of waters of life - Revelation 22:1,2 - for the "curing of the nations" - not spirit creaures.
Wipe out every tear from their eyes...death, mourning, outcry, & pain - does this apply to spirits?
Just saying: Scripture should interpret Scripture.
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wizzstick
Can heaven itself not have "a great crowd" just as the earth would?
To the WT, the Great Crowd of Rev 7 is very much on earth so any discussion naturally will focus on their understanding.
It's important to remember that the Christian Greek scriptures were not written in english but in Greek. And that is where the truth is clearly lies.
Check out this e-mail from Jason BeDuhn (who the society cheerfully quotes from: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102009069?q=jason+beduhn&p=par):
http://www.jwfacts.com/images/naos-beduhn-email.png
Before (Enopion - meaning in sight off) the throne
In his Temple (Naos) - Naos means the divine habitation.
For the great crowd to be on earth, the word for temple here needs to be Heiron. But it isn't.
Then you have the problem of the other mention of 'a great crowd' in Revelation 19:1:
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwt/E/2013/66/19
And here, they are clearly in heaven...
Very good article on this subject is here: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/great-crowd-other-sheep.php
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Xanthippe
This is brilliantly done.
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Crazyguy
Nice video, like what was posted earlier they lie about what the word Naos means.
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designs
Fake JW, faked video geeez
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Pubsinger
Designs: Are you for real?
Have you ever been to a meeting and seen a 'demonstration'?
Seems you're not grasping the concept . . .
