The Dogs are Barking-Has Putin got a TRILLION DOLLAR Surprise for the West?

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  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Stratfor runs this story, as bait for a subscription to their news/intelligence service today.

    BUT, the dogs have been barking about this for weeks now. Actually, the story goes back as far as ten years - but I'll get to that.

    Stratfor's story today states:

    With tensions still climbing over Ukraine, Vladimir Putin has urged European leaders to negotiate with Russia – hinting, in an open letter, that Moscow could shut off energy exports to EU countries. Many are wondering whether, as in past crises, Moscow might once again shut off natural gas flows to Europe in order to prove a point.

    Stratfor's analysts have already weighed the odds, formed a conclusion and swerved their focus to an entirely different region – China – as Russia’s next energy market to watch, following a trail of clues that begins not in Ukraine, but in Kazakhstan.

    and illustrating it with this map.

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    So is the story significant? I think so. It likely explains why the west has been slapping Russia's wrist with the piss-weak sanctions (mostly declaring certain Russian citizens persona non-grata, by telling them that they can't visit western cities and cancelling their credit cards (or something similar).

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Actually, the on-again-off-again negotiations between Russia and China started ten years ago, mainly connected with energy supplies. Both sides, naturally, wanted the best deal they could get. (But note, the FTA that Australia wants with China has stretched out for a similar time period).

    I suggest that what seems to have been a recent development in the negotiations, was sparked by the western push to takeover the Ukraine, so bringing the possibility of NATO forces to the southern border of Russia.

    That western push against Russia seems to have been sparked by western fury over Russian support for the Baathist government of Syria, when the west was attempting a proxy war against that Baathist government.

    Russian support delayed the western attempt and gave time for radical Islamic forces to takeover the revolutionary side in the Syrian civil war. All very annoying for the arm-chair warriors in Washington and Brussels. Piqued, they sought to spit on Russia's face by depriving Russia of their southern fleet naval base in the Crimea.

    That 'great game' tactic, did not work out exactly as planned. (I hope that western strategists had considered the possible ways that Russia could have (and did) react. If they had not considered possible Russian reactions, the western taxpayers should tell their respective governments to stop wasting their hard-earned tax monies on idiots.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    I further suggest that the attempt on Ukraine, forced the Russians to re-consider their position concerning European energy supplies. The supply pipelines mainly pass through Ukraine (and supply Ukraine). Ukraine owes Russia a heap of money for energy already, and is not paying the debt. All of which makes western Europe a not so reliable customer. And, as the Stratfor story noted, in the tit-for-tat game being played over sanctions, Putin has raised the issue of how much Europe should pay for energy (likely not enough, from the Russian viewpoint).

    What the Russians badly needed was another good paying customer. Energy supplies already go to China from Russia, but it could be more - how much more?

    The dogs are barking, that a proposed deal between Russia and China could be worth a trillion dollars to Russia. With that deal in the bank would Russians care about western sanctions?

    It's arguable that Shanghai is now a more exciting city to visit than Paris anyway, and western luxury suppliers all have shops there anyway.. So who cares if European states wont give wealthy Russians a visa. (Its called 'cutting of your nose to spite your face').

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    So where does the valuation of a Trillion dollars come from?

    I'm in no position to value a energy deal of the size that may be in the offing, but that's the amount the Zero Hedge web site places on the deal.

    Whether it's more or less, and over what period hardly matters. China is now the world's largest energy user, and the government badly wants to replace coal, which is still an important energy source in China. Presently, all of China's energy supply routes (sea and land) have elements of risk, which is one reason for Chinese spending on armaments. It would be reasonable to conclude that a deal with Russia would not only diversify supplies, but provide a more secure supply that has less risk.

    Here's how 'Tyler Durden' ( thought to be a pseudonym of Daniel Ivandjiiski, who was penalized for insider trading in New York in September 2008) one of the editors of Zero Hedge, saw the deal, last month.

    Web reference: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-21/petrodollar-alert-isolated-west-putin-prepares-announce-holy-grail-gas-deal-china

    Petrodollar Alert: Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China
    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/21/2014 09:41 -0400

    If it was the intent of the West to bring Russia and China together - one a natural resource (if "somewhat" corrupt) superpower and the other a fixed capital / labor output (if "somewhat" capital misallocating and credit bubbleicious) powerhouse - in the process marginalizing the dollar and encouraging Ruble and Renminbi bilateral trade, then things are surely "going according to plan."

    For now there have been no major developments as a result of the shift in the geopolitical axis that has seen global US influence, away from the Group of 7 (most insolvent nations) of course, decline precipitously in the aftermath of the bungled Syrian intervention attempt and the bloodless Russian annexation of Crimea, but that will soon change. Because while the west is focused on day to day developments in Ukraine, and how to halt Russian expansion through appeasement (hardly a winning tactic as events in the 1930s demonstrated), Russia is once again thinking 3 steps ahead... and quite a few steps east.

    While Europe is furiously scrambling to find alternative sources of energy should Gazprom pull the plug on natgas exports to Germany and Europe (the imminent surge in Ukraine gas prices by 40% is probably the best indication of what the outcome would be), Russia is preparing the announcement of the "Holy Grail" energy deal with none other than China, a move which would send geopolitical shockwaves around the world and bind the two nations in a commodity-backed axis. One which, as some especially on these pages, have suggested would lay the groundwork for a new joint, commodity-backed reserve currency that bypasses the dollar, something which Russia implied moments ago when its finance minister Siluanov said that Russia may refrain from foreign borrowing this year. Translated: bypass western purchases of Russian debt, funded by Chinese purchases of US Treasurys, and go straight to the source.

    Here is what will likely happen next, as explained by Reuters:

    Igor Sechin gathered media in Tokyo the next day to warn Western governments that more sanctions over Moscow's seizure of the Black Sea peninsula from Ukraine would be counter-productive.

    The underlying message from the head of Russia's biggest oil company, Rosneft, was clear: If Europe and the United States isolate Russia, Moscow will look East for new business, energy deals, military contracts and political alliances.

    The Holy Grail for Moscow is a natural gas supply deal with China that is apparently now close after years of negotiations. If it can be signed when Putin visits China in May, he will be able to hold it up to show that global power has shifted eastwards and he does not need the West.

    More details on the revelation of said "Holy Grail":

    State-owned Russian gas firm Gazprom hopes to pump 38 billion cubic meters (bcm) of natural gas per year to China from 2018 via the first pipeline between the world's largest producer of conventional gas to the largest consumer.

    "May is in our plans," a Gazprom spokesman said, when asked about the timing of an agreement. A company source said: "It would be logical to expect the deal during Putin's visit to China."

    Summarizing what should be and is painfully obvious to all, but apparently to the White House, which keeps prodding at Russia, is the following:

    "The worse Russia's relations are with the West, the closer Russia will want to be to China. If China supports you, no one can say you're isolated," said Vasily Kashin, a China expert at the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) think thank.

    Bingo. And now add bilateral trade denominated in either Rubles or Renminbi (or gold), add Iran, Iraq, India, and soon the Saudis (China's largest foreign source of crude, whose crown prince also happened to meet president Xi Jinping last week to expand trade further) and wave goodbye to the petrodollar.

    As reported previoisly, China has already implicitly backed Putin without risking it relations with the West. "Last Saturday China abstained in a U.N. Security Council vote on a draft resolution declaring invalid the referendum in which Crimea went on to back union with Russia. Although China is nervous about referendums in restive regions of other countries which might serve as a precedent for Tibet and Taiwan, it has refused to criticize Moscow. The support of Beijing is vital for Putin. Not only is China a fellow permanent member of the U.N. Security Council with whom Russia thinks alike, it is also the world's second biggest economy and it opposes the spread of Western-style democracy."

    This culminated yesterday, when as we reported last night, Putin thanked China for its "understanding over Ukraine." China hasn't exactly kept its feelings about closer relations with Russia under wraps either:

    Chinese President Xi Jinping showed how much he values ties with Moscow, and Putin in particular, by making Russia his first foreign visit as China's leader last year and attending the opening of the Winter Olympics in Sochi last month.

    Many Western leaders did not go to the Games after criticism of Russia's record on human rights. By contrast, when Putin and Xi discussed Ukraine by telephone on March 4, the Kremlin said their positions were "close".

    The punchline: "A strong alliance would suit both countries as a counterbalance to the United States." An alliance that would merely be an extension of current trends in close bilateral relations, including not only infrastructure investment but also military supplies:

    However, China overtook Germany as Russia's biggest buyer of crude oil this year thanks to Rosneft securing deals to boost eastward oil supplies via the East Siberia-Pacific Ocean pipeline and another crossing Kazakhstan.

    If Russia is isolated by a new round of Western sanctions - those so far affect only a few officials' assets abroad and have not been aimed at companies - Russia and China could also step up cooperation in areas apart from energy.CAST's Kashin said the prospects of Russia delivering Sukhoi SU-35 fighter jets to China, which has been under discussion since 2010, would grow.

    China is very interested in investing in infrastructure, energy and commodities in Russia, and a decline in business with the West could force Moscow to drop some of its reservations about Chinese investment in strategic industries. "With Western sanctions, the atmosphere could change quickly in favor of China," said Brian Zimbler Managing Partner of Morgan Lewis international law firm's Moscow office.

    Russia-China trade turnover grew by 8.2 percent in 2013 to $8.1 billion but Russia was still only China's seventh largest export partner in 2013, and was not in the top 10 countries for imported goods. The EU is Russia's biggest trade partner, accounting for almost half of all its trade turnover.

    And as if pushing Russia into the warm embrace of the world's most populous nation was not enough, there is also the second most populated country in the world, India.

    Putin did take time, however, to thank one other country apart from China for its understanding over Ukraine and Crimea - saying India had shown "restraint and objectivity".

    He also called Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to discuss the crisis on Tuesday, suggesting there is room for Russia's ties with traditionally non-aligned India to flourish.

    Although India has become the largest export market for U.S. arms, Russia remains a key defense supplier and relations are friendly, even if lacking a strong business and trade dimension, due to a strategic partnership dating to the Soviet era.

    Putin's moves to assert Russian control over Crimea were seen very favorably in the Indian establishment, N. Ram, publisher of The Hindu newspaper, told Reuters. "Russia has legitimate interests," he added.

    To summarize: while the biggest geopolitical tectonic shift since the cold war accelerates with the inevitable firming of the "Asian axis", the west monetizes its debt, revels in the paper wealth created from an all time high manipulated stock market while at the same time trying to explain why 6.5% unemployment is really indicative of a weak economy, blames the weather for every disappointing economic data point, and every single person is transfixed with finding a missing airplane.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Is this deal close? The Chinese newspaper Global Times, notes:

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov (left) and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi exchange documents during a signing ceremony at Diaoyutai State Guesthouse in Beijing on Tuesday. Photo: AFP

    It was also stated:

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov kicked off his visit to Beijing on Tuesday, discussing the Ukraine crisis and bilateral cooperation with Chinese President Xi Jinping and his Chinese counterpart.

    After meeting with Lavrov, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said the Ukraine crisis should be solved through dialogue rather than violence.

    China welcomed potential Russia-US-EU-Ukraine talks on the issue, Wang said, adding that the key to success of the talks is to take care of the reasonable interests and concerns of all sides.

    As a friend of the Ukrainians, China does not want continued volatility in Ukraine, Wang said.

    Li Xing, professor of Russian and Asian affairs from Beijing Normal University, said that Lavrov's trip is mainly a preparation for Russian President Vladimir Putin's visit in next month.

    Reference: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/854852.shtml#.U07zQfmSx8E

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    And here's the Reuter's story referred to in the last post:

    Reference: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/14/us-russia-china-gas-idUSBREA3D0R220140414

    Russia, China aim to finish gas talks before Putin's May visit: media

    MOSCOW Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:03am EDT

    (Reuters) - Russia and China aim to wrap up a 10-year series of talks about Russian gas supplies before President Vladimir Putin visits China in May, media quoted the deputy prime minister as saying on Monday.

    The Russian deputy premier, Arkady Dvorkovich, also said China is interested in alternative energy projects on the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea, annexed by Russia from Ukraine in March.

    Moscow and Beijing have been involved in painstaking talks about possible Russian gas supplies to China, with price being the main obstacle to a deal.

    "The gas talks are wrapping up. There is a common intention to complete this work before the Russian president's visit to China in May this year," Interfax news agency quoted Dvorkovich as saying in a meeting with Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

    Last week, Dvorkovich went to China as part of a Russian delegation to discuss cooperation in the energy sector.

    Putin has urged Russian companies to expand their exposure to Asia as Europe's economy falters and countries there seek less dependence on energy supplies from their former Cold War foe. Europe is the key buyer of oil and gas from Russia.

    Russia's top natural gas producer Gazprom plans to start supplying China with 38 billion cubic meters of gas per year - around a quarter of Russia's exports to Europe - in 2018.

    Dvorkovich also said Russia and China plan to boost cooperation in oil and oil products, as well as in coal and power supplies.

    Russia's top oil company Rosneft aims to triple oil supplies to China from the more than 300,000 barrels per day it sent last year.

    "The key decisions have been taken, but both the Chinese partners and we have a desire to boost cooperation," Dvorkovich said, according to Interfax.

    He also said China is interested in developing Crimea.

    "The Chinese colleagues who are involved in alternative energy projects, are looking with interest at participating in similar projects in the Crimean republic," Dvorkovich was quoted as saying.

    (Reporting by Vladimir Soldatkin; Editing by Jason Bush and Dale Hudson)

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    And finally (at least for the moment) the viewpoint of former Indian diplomat (and current affairs commentator), who in my opinion is one of the most astute observers of the world scene.

    reference: http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/

    Russia reaches out for China’s friendship

    ... Therefore, it is rich in symbolism that Russian Foreign Minister is taking time out and is heading for Beijing for consultations on Tuesday. He will be received by President Xi Jinping. China’s stance on the Ukraine crisis becomes a matter of crucial importance for Moscow. But Lavrov’s mission also relates to the preparations over Putin’s visit to China on May 20.

    Without doubt, Putin’s visit to China will be a defining moment in world politics insofar as the strategic partnership between the two countries are poised for a historic uplift. Moscow is turning to Beijing at a time when its ties with the West are in tatters. The reports from Moscow indicate an unmistakable eagerness to conclude the trillion dollar mega gas deal with China, which has been under negotiation for a decade and would transform the strategic underpinnings of Russia-China partnership. The Russian foreign ministry has said that Ukraine will receive “special attention” during Lavrov’s consultations in Beijing today. Officially, Moscow insists on drawing satisfaction over China’s neutral stance, but would like to have greater certainty over it if push comes to shove in Russia’s standoff with the West — especially if the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine — Lugansk, Kharkov, Donetsk, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaparozhve and Odessa — were to secede and were to form some sort of ‘Confederal Union’ with Belarus and Russia, which appears to be a high probability. The Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement in the weekend while announcing Lavrov’s visit to China, “It is well-known, China sticks to a balanced and objective position, demonstrating understanding of the entire totality of factors, including historical ones, leading to new realities in the region.” That is a meaningful formulation that Lavrov wishes to build upon. Truly, Russia never probably needed China’s support and understanding to this extent as at this point in time in all through the modern history between the two big powers. This comes out very clearly in a lengthy interview given by Lavrov to the government-run China Daily newspaper as the curtain-raiser for his trip to Beijing. Some excerpts are in order: “The greatest degree of mutual trust, first and foremost in the political sphere… is a sound basis for further progress in each and every area… Close cooperation in the international arena is the most important aspect of the Chinese-Russian strategic partnership… It is pivotal that in today’s complex and unpredictable global context we understand and respect each other’s interests and concerns… We appreciate Beijing’s measured and impartial stance on the Ukrainian crisis, as well as China’s manifest understanding of all its manifold aspects, including the historic ones.” The trends in the Russian thinking can be identified. One, build strong economic content into the relationship between the two powers and make China a stakeholder, which would go a long way to mitigate any adverse effect of Western sanctions against Russia and which would indeed help Moscow defeat the very purpose of the sanctions. Two, after a period of benign neglect of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, Moscow is revisiting the forum in order to “synchronize” with China its regional policies in Central Asia and Afghanistan with a view to shore up the shared interests of the two powers to keep the US and North Atlantic Treaty Organization out of the region. Three, Moscow hopes to harmonise its stance with China’s over regional issues such as Syria, Iran, North Korea and Afghanistan. (Lavrov mentioned them.) Four, Lavrov hinted in the interview that Russia empathizes with China’s profound disquiet over the rise of militarism in Japan. This is a massive Russian gesture that calls for reciprocal Chinese support for Russia’s core concerns and vital interests. Five, Moscow would try to eliminate any contradiction arising between its Eurasia Economic Union project and China’s Silk Road Economic Belt. Above all, Lavrov unambiguously stressed the great relevance of the SCO for providing an overarching roof for Russia and China to co-habitate and work together on issues of regional security and stability. This is what he said in the interview: “We aim to synchronize the efforts to ensure further development of the SCO, one of the key elements of economic growth and strengthened security in Central Asia… regional security is an absolute priority of the SCO member states. Today, the SCO proves to be the best forum for interaction on the Afghan track. We combine our efforts with our Chinese friends to transform the SCO regional counter-terrorism structure into a new multipurpose mechanism for comprehensive counteraction to the security threats and challenges facing the SCO member states.”
  • hoser
    hoser

    We need to build the northern gateway pipeline and sell our tar sands to china

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    Fascinating, thanks for sharing, this very well could be the starting formation of a new set of Axis powers opposed to the west, I don't like where this is headed. It's time for Obama to start being more flexible with people who aren't America's enemies and get the keystone pipeline, and that missle shield in Poland built.

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