JW's: replacing the real world with their fake version, one brick at a time

by Terry 9 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Terry
    Terry

    Freud said:

    "If it were really a matter of indifference what we belive, then we might just as well build our bridges of cardboard as of stone, or inject a tenth of a gram of morphine into a patient instead of a hundredth, or take teargas as a narcotic instead of Ether; but the intellectual anarchists themselves would strongly repudiate any such practical applications of their theory."

    Intellectual honesty requires a match between the real world, the practical world where things either WORK or do not work at all.....and the state of mind inside your head.

    If there is any mismatch at all the blurred line fuzzes out into failure to recognize what is real and what isn't.

    Jehovah's Witnesses replace the real world with an artificially constructed one. They build an illicit intellect for themselves with the help of the Watchtower and meeting attendance.

    They carry this intellectual destruction to households and practice it on their own children!

    The ability to think clearly is gradually replaced by an induced blindness to clarity.

    A special-effects team goes to work in the brain and uses CGI to erect facades of phony "reality" replacing the accurate one inside.

    Soon, the actual human intellect has been dismantled:

    When a JW looks at their next door neighbor--what do they "see"?

    They now see a worldly goat marked for destruction who must be avoided lest bad association taint them with polluted false worship of a satanic empire.

    We who have formerly been these meta-humans know this process well.

    Many of us have had to rebuild our intellect from the crumbling state of near destruction into what we need to function in a hand's on real world of cause and effect.

    What is the best test for NON-contradiction between what is inside your mind and your world view and actual reality? Just this: SUCCESS!

    HOW SUCCESSFUL has your life been so far?

    I don't mean "rich"--I mean having a life that works! Do you have true friends? Have you planned for the future?

    Do you have a five year plan, for instance? Or, do you bounce about day to day always facing the same old problems over and over again? Are you generally a happy person? Or, are you disgruntled and bitter?

    Do find time to express a positive mental outlook or do you complain?

    Are you yet intellectually honest?

    Or, do you carry some semblance of ___blank out__into your daily life from the habit you learned as a JW drone-clone?

    Do you often find yourself slipping into the ___alternate universe__of the world you "prefer" rather than the one that "is"?

    Do you accept your responsibility in building your own life with your own choices?

    Or, do you live in a kind of daydream expectation that "things will all work out somehow"?

    Do you cling to a belief system constructed for the purpose of "feeling good"?

    Can you tolerate skepticism or do you seek solace in cherished mental constructs ?

    Remember, the BEST that a JW can hope for is the End of the World and the slaughter of their fellow man!!

    Do you find yourself saying "I HOPE SO" ?

    Do you rely on what you call "gut feeling" rather than rational data or demonstrable information in the form of evidence?

    When you explain your views do you find they are vague?

    Or, are they connected to actual definable definitions that can be written down and explained from premise to conclusion?

    Do you find conversation about facts and evidence to be irritating and does it make you uncomfortable to have to explain yo urself? Can you be at ease with NOT knowing something? Or, do you always choose to "believe" what makes something ___seem___sensible?

    ARE THERE STILL CONTRADICTIONS in your life between what you believe and what actually happens?

    Watch for this RED FLAG!

  • Phaedra
    Phaedra

    Interesting questions and food for thought there, Terry.

    The one thing I do appreciate about the dynamics of living is that whatever happened to us in the past does not set us in stone with the inability to change, grow, and resolve towards new directions.

    Phae

  • nonjwspouse
    nonjwspouse

    Quite interesting that you posted this terry. My husband is just tomorrow seeing a therapist who will likely challange these very type of thoughts Finally, finally my husband is seeing a therapist that KNOWS about the JW mindset and studied about them for a decade. It will be the first time ever and BOY does he need to have this type of therapist.

    I am actually a bit worried because I hope the therapist is skilled enough ( I feel almost sure he is) not to scare him away. My husband doesn't know this therapist knows so much about the JW and so much about my own long road of trying to deal with this.

    If this man can get my husband to think just a little outside the protective JW bubble long enough to look back at the bubble in a different light, I think there will be hope.

    My husband regularly does the __blank out__ in his daily life as a carry over from the JW training. he thiks he has a mentwal disease ( I think it is a learned "disease" but don't say that. All Drs he has seen so far agree he is sharp, and has no organic problem with short term or long term memory.)

    He more often than not lets life "happen" too him iinstead of making things happen for himself. Whenwe married I changed some of that, but overthe course of my own devestating life event, depression/anxioety health problems he is back to letting life just "happen". Thankfully, I am finally beginning to fix my previously broken self hopefully back to th strong, woman that made things happen myself.

    It will be a strange, interesting, scary, and cautious time to see how all this comes together ( or apart) . This past week has seen several horrible arguements between us. Yet, with each one I sense a feeling in him later of some kind of acceptance in him that I had a point. I hope this is true and I am not just wishful.

    I can't wait to hear ( if he will talk) about what this session is like tomorrow.

  • Terry
    Terry

    From my own experience with therapists (maybe 6 in a lifetime) anecdotally they are 99% ineffective.

    Exceptional ones do exist. But, uh-hem, they are exceptional.

    What helps a person is NEEDING help and willingness to LISTEN.

    Further, the ability to shut up with making excuses for yourself is RARE to IMPOSSIBLE for ex-JW's.

    Other than that--there is always hope, a rabbit's foot, voodoo, copper bracelets, adjusting your chakra and vegetarianism.

    Yes, I'm joking.

  • nonjwspouse
    nonjwspouse

    So the therapist, he admitted to my husband he had a problem of being highly and wrongly judgemental. He battled all his life with it and rattled off a few of the thiings he is judgemental about, one of them being, yep., JW... it was in a line of other things, other religions, people with multiple piercings and unnatural hair colors etc.... Anyway it seemed to keep my husband from feeling uncomfortable with the guy, which I am so thankful for. So the session focused on being judgemental, which my husband admitted to being overly judgemental too( Good job Mr therapist!)

    I think this guy is going to work. He is getting my husband thinking, without feeling as if he was being "judged". He was up front honest in a non-threatening way. My husband has been reflecting some on what he is judgemental about. ;-) critical thinking! YAYAYAY

    My husband was also in a much better mood after the session and came home with flowers for me and our daughter. :)

    I am trying hard not to get obverly optomistic.

  • Mikado
    Mikado

    Terry, I'm sorry to hear of your experiences with therapists. I have used a few and found them either to be fantastic or no good for me..

    I think that a lot of the secret is to find the right personality for your own personality type....

    one woman I saw was lovely, but far too nice for me, another was much more straight on,and we got on like a house on fire!

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Thanks Terry for yet another brilliant Post ! JW's rarely have their Worldview really challenged, if people say something to them in the DtoD work that should make them think, it is an "objection", to be ignored and overcome.

    Any honest hearted JW reading your post will take a proper look at their skewed view of life and the World, well done.

    NonJWspouse, I do hope your husband's Thereapy does the job. I found a brilliant Therapist who helped me to expunge any WT harm that was possible to get rid of, and that was most of it, and she helped me with how to handle the few bits that will always be with me.

    I did not follow all her advice, she told me to DA and to move home, I was not inclined to DA and not in a position at the time to move home, but all her other advice and methods were good.

    Please let us know on a new thread perhaps, how it goes.

  • nonjwspouse
    nonjwspouse

    Phizzy, I'm so glad you found a good therapist. Like everythg else in life, there are god ones , mediocre, and not so good. Some will understand and have a working knowladge of the unique JW/EXJW problems, and some won't. Finding one that "gets' your situation and had good suggestions of learning a skillset to handle them is a real gift.

    I think I will take your suggestion and begin a new thread with his/our therapy. I am hopeful it will be a positive thread :)

    Terry I agree with Phizzy, and you as well. There are an awful lot of therapists out there that will not help, and sometimes can hurt a situation. I experienced that unfortunate type myself. But, the ARE some who can be just as great as finding this forum. It's just hit and miss, trusting instincts, finding reccomendations,etc etc, trying to find the good one is a real challange. I wish It wasn't so hidden so that people who have the religious abuse in their history are more able to find the therapist they need.

    This center has a website and on one of the therapists descriptions, he listed religious abuse as one of the specialty topics. I personally went to him last year. He was young guy that I later found out was raised independant baptist ( a LOT of that around his area) another group that has some extremely high control churches/beliefs. He did not know much about the JW had not studied them, and he eally liked for me to visit because I was educating him on them! he was so very interested. i suggted books some he had n hhis to read" list already, some not. Though he was good for me at that tine, I didn't feel he would work with my husband in an individual or couples therapy. Months later I was reading the center's website again and came across another therapist there. He was the director of the centre, older guy. One specialty was "spiritual issues". So I called and found out he knew about the JW, studied about them for 10 years, and he sounded just right. I had to be extremely careful in how to bring about suggesting this therapist to my husband. I did't let him know I searched for him. Once my husband was agreeing to couples therapy again just a couple months ago, I found a way to suggest him through another person we had seen. It worked. I was unsure if he would agree go to him alone for therapy after we saw him for couples therapy, but he finally did! We are both seeing him individually, and also for couples therapy. I am encouraged because of the up front, blunt, but honest and respectful nature of this guy's style. I also like his ability to discuss a point on issues by using his "own" experiences, issues, problems etc, ( not bringing up my husband's cult personality) yet effectively getting my husband to apply them to himself, and actually think. My husband is the type that needs a brick over the head to "get" a point. He likes this therapist :) It took me over a year of difficult paitence to get my husband to this therapist, but I feel it will be worth it.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Those therapy days are long behind me.

    I was younger and trying to build a life while not realizing I had "issues" unhandled connected to anger with my JW days.

    Then too, I tried marriage four times :)

    If you spend twenty years in Jehovah's Witnesses there aren't many life-coping-skills you can claim.

    I really think, until the age of about 40 I was delusional and walking around inside a bubble.

    If you can't detect what is real or deal with it realistically--you're going to need to do something about it.

    Therapists generally aren't familiar with the cult dynamic as pertains to JW's. Let's face it, the JW's are a different

    kind of cult because they don't completely fit the classic pattern of a single charismatic leader.

    I'm a pretty happy person. I am generally whistling a happy tune as I go about my life.

    Now that is either an indication of adjustment or a tip-off I've lost all touch with sanity.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    When a JW looks at their next door neighbor--what do they "see"?

    They now see a worldly goat marked for destruction who must be avoided lest bad association taint them with polluted false worship of a satanic empire.

    Well said Terry.

    Its almost impossible for any human to drop the JWS thinking completely upon leaving the Borg.

    Fear has been purposely placed there with controlling intent, to subdue independent thought

    or critical thinking derived from separate outside sources.

    .

    I'm leaving this information here too so that people can read what and how mind controlling cults work on people.

    Steven Alan Hassan's BITE Model of Cult Mind Control

    Many people think of mind control as an ambiguous, mystical process that cannot be defined in concrete terms. In reality, mind control refers to a specific set of methods and techniques, such as hypnosis or thought- stopping, that influence how a person thinks, feels, and acts. Like many bodies of knowledge, it is not inherently good or evil. If mind control techniques are used to empower an individual to have more choice, and authority for his life remains within himself, the effects can be beneficial. For example, benevolent mind control can be used to help people quit smoking without affecting any other behavior. Mind control becomes destructive when the locus of control is external and it is used to undermine a person’s ability to think and act independently.

    As employed by the most destructive cults, mind control seeks nothing less than to disrupt an individual’s authentic identity and reconstruct it in the image of the cult leader. I developed the BITE model to help people determine whether or not a group is practicing destructive mind control. The BITE model helps people understand how cults suppress individual member's uniqueness and creativity. BITE stands for the cult's control of an individual's Behavior, Intellect, Thoughts, and Emotions.

    It is important to understand that destructive mind control can be determined when the overall effect of these four components promotes dependency and obedience to some leader or cause. It is not necessary for every single item on the list to be present. Mindcontrolled cult members can live in their own apartments, have nine-to-five jobs, be married with children, and still be unable to think for themselves and act independently.

    The BITE Model

    I. Behavior Control
    II. Information Control
    III. Thought Control
    IV. Emotional Control
    Behavior Control

    1. Regulate individual’s physical reality 2. Dictate where, how, and with whom the member lives and associates or isolates 3. When, how and with whom the member has sex 4. Control types of clothing and hairstyles 5. Regulate diet - food and drink, hunger and/or fasting 6. Manipulation and deprivation of sleep 7. Financial exploitation, manipulation or dependence 8. Restrict leisure, entertainment, vacation time 9. Major time spent with group indoctrination and rituals and/or self indoctrination including the Internet 10. Permission required for major decisions 11. Thoughts, feelings, and activities (of self and others) reported to superiors 12. Rewards and punishments used to modify behaviors, both positive and negative 13. Discourage individualism, encourage group-think 14. Impose rigid rules and regulations 15. Instill dependency and obedience

    Information Control

    1. Deception: a. Deliberately withhold information b. Distort information to make it more acceptable c. Systematically lie to the cult member 2. Minimize or discourage access to non-cult sources of information, including: a. Internet, TV, radio, books, articles, newspapers, magazines, other media b.Critical information c. Former members d. Keep members busy so they don’t have time to think and investigate e. Control through cell phone with texting, calls, internet tracking 3. Compartmentalize information into Outsider vs. Insider doctrines a. Ensure that information is not freely accessible b.Control information at different levels and missions within group c. Allow only leadership to decide who needs to know what and when 4. Encourage spying on other members a. Impose a buddy system to monitor and control member b.Report deviant thoughts, feelings and actions to leadership c. Ensure that individual behavior is monitored by group 5. Extensive use of cult-generated information and propaganda, including: a. Newsletters, magazines, journals, audiotapes, videotapes, YouTube, movies and other media b.Misquoting statements or using them out of context from non-cult sources 6. Unethical use of confession a. Information about sins used to disrupt and/or dissolve identity boundaries b. Withholding forgiveness or absolution c. Manipulation of memory, possible false memories

    Thought Control

    1. Require members to internalize the group’s doctrine as truth a. Adopting the group's ‘map of reality’ as reality b. Instill black and white thinking c. Decide between good vs. evil d. Organize people into us vs. them (insiders vs. outsiders) 2.Change person’s name and identity 3. Use of loaded language and clichés which constrict knowledge, stop critical thoughts and reduce complexities into platitudinous buzz words 4. Encourage only ‘good and proper’ thoughts 5. Hypnotic techniques are used to alter mental states, undermine critical thinking and even to age regress the member 6. Memories are manipulated and false memories are created 7. Teaching thought-stopping techniques which shut down reality testing by stopping negative thoughts and allowing only positive thoughts, including: a. Denial, rationalization, justification, wishful thinking b. Chanting c. Meditating d. Praying e. Speaking in tongues f. Singing or humming 8. Rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism 9. Forbid critical questions about leader, doctrine, or policy allowed 10. Labeling alternative belief systems as illegitimate, evil, or not useful

    Emotional Control

    1. Manipulate and narrow the range of feelings – some emotions and/or needs are deemed as evil, wrong or selfish 2. Teach emotion-stopping techniques to block feelings of homesickness, anger, doubt 3. Make the person feel that problems are always their own fault, never the leader’s or the group’s fault 4. Promote feelings of guilt or unworthiness, such as a. Identity guilt b. You are not living up to your potential c. Your family is deficient d. Your past is suspect e. Your affiliations are unwise f. Your thoughts, feelings, actions are irrelevant or selfish g. Social guilt h. Historical guilt 5. Instill fear, such as fear of: a. Thinking independently b. The outside world c. Enemies d. Losing one’s salvation e. Leaving or being shunned by the group f. Other’s disapproval 6. Extremes of emotional highs and lows – love bombing and praise one moment and then declaring you are horrible sinner 7. Ritualistic and sometimes public confession of sins 8. Phobia indoctrination: inculcating irrational fears about leaving the group or questioning the leader’s authority a. No happiness or fulfillment possible outside of the group b. Terrible consequences if you leave: hell, demon possession, incurable diseases, accidents, suicide, insanity, 10,000 reincarnations, etc. c. Shunning of those who leave; fear of being rejected by friends, peers, and family d. Never a legitimate reason to leave; those who leave are weak, undisciplined, unspiritual, worldly, brainwashed by family or counselor, or seduced by money, sex, or rock and roll e. Threats of harm to ex-member and family

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